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The Ninth Avenue Elevated: New York, 1929

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Before New Yorkers rode the subways, they rode the elevateds. Built in the nineteenth century, demolished in the mid-twentieth, they were one of the things that made New York, New York. Fox Movietone's newsreel cameramen visited several locations on the Ninth Avenue El in 1929 and brought back this footage. We get glimpses of Yankee Stadium and The Polo Grounds, as well as an extended look at the S-curve at 110th Street, the famous and oft-photographed "Suicide Curve." We also see plenty of the trains themselves, antiques with open end platforms and no side doors. UPDATE 1: A note about the height of "Suicide Curve:" this video cites the most commonly-given height of the curve as 100 feet. But a contractor, working in 1940, claimed that its height was less than 56 feet, pointing to the 60-foot crane being used to demolish the line. [New York Times, November 4, 1940] UPDATE 2: The narrator mispronounces a place name: Maycomb is pronounced MAY-coom, not MAY-come.
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Romin van der Meiden (4 days ago)
You should also make a version without naration and that huge logo. To catch the atmosphere.
I can certainly remove the narration. Can't do anything about the logo, though.
pdxrailtransit (10 days ago)
Another superb job. Thanks.
inlovewithi (1 month ago)
I don't know how I ended up doing so, but last week I was looking at remnants of the old El train by Yankee Stadium through Google Street View. I didn't even really knew about the El train a year and a half ago. I was also thinking of one time when I was around 9 years old walking under those tracks, and thinking that it was usually high, and rather odd looking. Now so many years later, though I never gave it much thought, if any, it all made sense. And now a week later this was a recommended video, and there's the path, clear, from 1929. Doesn't sound like much, but personally it's a cool, "it all make sense moment." It's also interesting how something is the "status quo" for lack of a better word. People populated these stations everyday, then it's gone, and someone born decades later sees clues from the past, but has no idea of such a big part of the life of those alive at that time.
Glen h (1 month ago)
Thanks for all these great films. I vaguely remember walking "Down" to get the 9th Ave "El" at Anderson Avenue and 162nd street. I lived at 163rd and Ogden one block up and two over. I am 65 so the latest it had to be was 1958 but I knew we went on it a few times to go to the Polo Grounds-not for baseball but of all things-a rodeo! This train and the stop of the 3rd avenue El called "Botanical gardens or Bronx park-not the zoo one" bring back fond memories. do not remember the latter but my dad and mom would take me to the walkway of it above Fordham U as my dad worked there.
countrypaul (3 months ago)
What a treat - thank you. Truly a forgotten part of New York history. I wish I'd had a chance to ride the northern stub of the line at least. At least I got on the Bronx part of the 3rd Avenue el before it closed (if my parents had known I rode my bike in from New Rochelle to do it I would have caught hell!).
Paul Warner (3 months ago)
Great video. Those Els certainly work a work of art for their day. A very big system.
mo zack (3 months ago)
That growling sound coming out of those motors sounds a little like the starship enterprise as the ship goes into warp drive. Where does that sound come from? I mean on the train, not the enterprise.
That's the traction motors.
Ken Harvey (4 months ago)
Excellent video thank you !!!
visionpersistance (5 months ago)
Anthony Marcano was right about the restaurant actually being under the 3rd Ave El as it curved under the IRT White Plains Rd Line
midipem (5 months ago)
Excellent material, the sound is real?
It is!
Larry Shaver (5 months ago)
i read that the last el line came down in 1955
Nusrat Jamia (5 months ago)
Thanks again for your time to share.💐🌸😍🎈🎊💟
Gregory Kazian (5 months ago)
wow, awesome footage, thanks so much for it. New York was a bustling place even back then.
TheFRiNgEguitars (5 months ago)
Traffic moves at a comfortably slow pace, no signals, no speed limit posted.
Tabourba (5 months ago)
Many thanks for posting this fascinating video, sir - I had no idea that double-deck buses were ever used anywhere in America; you live and learn, eh?
robert feinberg (6 months ago)
They should have never ta rundown the els better than subways
Kabuki Jo (6 months ago)
I used to wait for the Bus in front of that building at 110 st and 9th Ave (now Columbus Ave) and never knew why it was shaped the way it was. And thanks to you, I now know why. Thanks!
David James (6 months ago)
Interesting glimpse looking back in time. It all seems like another world. Especially knowing this is real and not a movie. Thanks for posting this important piece of history.
Dave Howe (6 months ago)
I think I saw the babe waiting for the train, wouldn't that be cool.
Alan Eiseman (6 months ago)
These are precious, thanks from Orlando
visionpersistance (6 months ago)
I lived in the Highbridge Neighborhood in the Bronx where the remnants of this line still existed in 1969 after moving there from Harlem. My Dad who lived in Harlem, in the 1930s told me about the Elevated lines and the 9th Ave El which curved at 110th st (Suicide Curve) and ran up to the Polo Grounds
Charles Beyer (6 months ago)
Just one thing, the system was completely electrified in 1902 and steam engines were gone soon afterwards, the shots with steam engines had to be much older.
Tabourba (5 months ago)
Charles - the narrator says (in the commentary) that the silent film, which shows the steam loco, was shot in 1899.
Pauli Vaara (6 months ago)
6:05 Wow, the view is full of structures of the railway. That doesn't look like city landscape, but rather a view inside some factory.
Antonio Miranda (6 months ago)
my father wasn't even born
Matthew Bulger (6 months ago)
Who Was The Name Of The Fox Newsreel Cameraman Who Film This Footage?
Notes say, "Nallon (Camera operator). 11 (Production unit). J. Gleason (Sound)."
westy40 (7 months ago)
Stunning! These uploads are incredible!
roweenie (7 months ago)
Stop sometime and take a look up at the sides of some of the old law tenements on these avenues - the advertisements painted on them were there to be seen by the passengers on the El as they passed by.
LeRoy Creasey (7 months ago)
A touch of history in NYC!! Great job!!!
frizzlefrap (7 months ago)
memories are really great for the soul ----------- it's like a caressing, soothing feeling that all of us experience if it's good -------- but torture if it's bad
frizzlefrap (7 months ago)
bet that was hell lookin' for your car in a large parking lot
Wolf Pak (7 months ago)
Endless dumpy areas
Appleholic1 (7 months ago)
Excellent video. Thank you for giving us this. One question....is the audio authentic?
Appleholic1 (7 months ago)
Thank you. Outstanding clips, keep up the great work.
Absolutely. Fox Movietone was the first newsreel company to have sound cameras.
Mark Rubin (8 months ago)
What! You mean that it's not running anymore? And here I am standing on the platform just waiting, and waiting.
Leslie Scarver (8 months ago)
Double decker busses, trolley cars and El trains. A NYC that my grandparents lived and worked in.
Deep Purple (8 months ago)
WOW! What a cool film! Remembering my grandfather talking about that portion of the El when I was boy. He went there to visit a war buddy.
NJ Explorer (8 months ago)
funny they tore down the second ave line down only to spend billions to build the 2nd ave subway line today
murray1575 (4 months ago)
In the immediate postwar years much of the subway equipment especially the trains themselves was completely worn out and/or life expired. The cost of replacing it and improving the infrastructure to support newer cars was tremendous and prevented anything from being done to build a new subway line. What was done was to create more free transfer points and build new connections connecting IND and BMT lines to improve service which also created the need for more subway cars. Most of these improvements were delayed by the lack of materials and personnel due to the war. Some construction was done in the 1970s but lack of funding stopped it way short of its goal.
Leslie Scarver (8 months ago)
They should have kept the 2nd Ave. El. Probably less traffic congestion.
Eric J (8 months ago)
They planned to build a subway immediately after they tore down the elevated, but funding was cut.
Randy Magnum (8 months ago)
Thank God they demolished it, now no one can commit suicide.
Tabourba (5 months ago)
What a dumb comment; hasn't occurred to you that if some poor devil wants to end their life, there a stack of ways of doing it - including jumping in front of a train on the subway, or jumping off a river bridge?
xNYCMarc (9 months ago)
FYI: The Macombs Dam Bridge is actually pronounced Mack-ooms (the 'ooms' is like zoom without the Z, not Make-ohms as you pronounced it.
xNYCMarc (9 months ago)
Speed Graphic Film and Video Ah, okay.
Yup, another commenter pointed this out shortly after I posted the video. It's one of two errors listed in the video's description.
Sammy Augusto (9 months ago)
How Cool is this... thank you!
JAY MORGENTHAL (9 months ago)
The 9th ave trains that went to the Bronx were the express trains that terminated at Burnside ave. Woodlawn Rd could only handle the Lexington Trains.
Fred dog (9 months ago)
there's a man just chilling on the tracks 4:30 . that was during the great depression . something tells me he's dead lately in 2018 ? hmm .. perhaps ? I ponder on this ?
Atlas King (7 months ago)
Yes, humans die. Thanks for sharing that brilliant observation. I never would have known.
Madness832 (9 months ago)
The apartments adjacent to the tracks, were they cheap? I mean, I'd want some incentive for having to listen to trains rumble by all day!
Craig F. Thompson (9 months ago)
Madness832 A general rule is: the closer one lives to a station, the higher the rents, due to the EASE of public transportation access!!
murray1575 (9 months ago)
If the structure was no taller than 60 feet then Smith-9th St. on the F and G lines was the highest point on the system as soon as it opened in the 1930's at 88 feet.
ktpinnacle (9 months ago)
Great video. I love how thick the air looks.
crywalkr (9 months ago)
What an amazingly cool video. I have never been to NYC, but I love history, especially public transportation and local history, and this is both. It was quite interesting and informative to watch. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Manhattan Man (9 months ago)
Thank you for making this available to a wide audience.
JOHNY BIGUNZ**** (9 months ago)
Awesome video....😉😀😁
alterdestiny (9 months ago)
My old neighborhood !!... lived there from 1944- 1959......a great area to grow up in.... turned into a dump...
Mr5083 (30 days ago)
Totally Different Now
Leslie Scarver (8 months ago)
alterdestiny have you been back lately? That area is getting so gentrified and expensive.
WhiteCamry (9 months ago)
@ 1:49 is a train out from the 159th Street yard, waiting to go downtown.
Thad ward (9 months ago)
just magnificent, I love finding gems like these. thank you for posting this
Joseph P Brennan (9 months ago)
Thanks for sharing this! 00:00 - 1940 at earliest, shuttle running from south of 167th St station (Jerome, now 4 train). Yankee Stadium in background. Special film train not taking passengers. 00:36 - 1902 or earlier - still steam engines - Sixth Ave trains running north and south from 53rd St (right) into 9th Ave. The tank engines (compare "Thomas"!) did not turn around so the coal bunker was at the downtown end in both directions on Sixth and Ninth Ave trains. 01:12 - pre 1940 - running south from 155th St. The ramp up ahead passed one track over another. 01:25 - 1940 at earliest, complete shuttle run by film train, from 155th St stub track to 167th St, including Putnam Bridge and the tunnel, and then back, continued at 00:00. Polo Grounds stadium in Manhattan.  03:47 - 1902 or earlier - steam engines - running north, turning from Columbus Ave to 110th St to Eighth Ave. No 110th St station yet. Center track ended before 116th St station. 04:46 - From this point it does look like 1929. Some shots from building roof at Columbus and 110th St looking northeast, some at street level at Eighth Ave looking up 110th St. 110th St station with elevator tower is in service. Seven-car trains were running about two minutes apart. Double-deck Fifth Avenue buses (M4 bus route today). At 6:28 a streetcar passes in the background (on Manhattan Ave) and at 6:47 an Eighth Ave car passes in the foreground. Overhead wire was not allowed in Manhattan, so the power was in a conduit slot between the rails, a slot that does look on the surface like the slot of cable cars. The apartment house at Columbus and 110th, still standing, has the now-mysterious curved wall where the el ran. Note: Macombs is muh-COHMES as far as I know, but this might be a point of contention similar to Van Wyck.
Adrienne B (7 months ago)
1940 was the date that the el was cut back to 155th St. from the Bronx. Before that, the el ran all the way downtown.
Thank you for your comments. What is the evidence for the 1940 date? And the narrator apologizes for his pronunciation of "Macomb's"...
SproketBox (9 months ago)
At around 6:46 you can see a surface car pass in front of the camera- I noticed that there are no overhead wires, certainly I did not see a trolley pole atop the car... It must be a cable car. I didn't know New York still had cable lines in 1929... I always thought that the cable routes were essentially gone by then (with the exception of San Francisco, which never took out their cable car system)
Craig F. Thompson (9 months ago)
Speed Graphic Film and Video A "pair of underground power rails...." Actually, it was only ONE power rail; the return current was through the running rails, just like the subway today!
The electric cars used an underground conduit system for current collection. A pair of underground power rails were accessed through a slot. You can read all about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conduit_current_collection
Khamomil (9 months ago)
So the S curve is in Manhattan at 110th?
It was at 110th between Columbus and 8th Avenues.
TheIronweed1969 (9 months ago)
He got a flat wheel.
WhiteCamry (9 months ago)
Seriously.
granskare (9 months ago)
I used to ride the el and subway in Chicago in the 40s.
cjmerobot (9 months ago)
The electric engines sound like Bart today.
Craig F. Thompson (9 months ago)
cjmerobot ....Goes to show that no matter how much things change, the more they stay the same....
trapezemusic (9 months ago)
Great video. Pleased that you mentioned the Polo Grounds and Yankee Stadium. Some New Yorkers may also recognize the side of the Loew's 167th Street Theater which is on the screen for a few seconds starting at 3:38 mark. I read that it had 2600 seats! That's when the Bronx was the Bronx.
Glen h (1 month ago)
I miss the old Bronx too (Washington av, Ogden Av, Burke ave then Hull ave.) but gotta say went back to 2043 Washington Avenue where I was born at and it looks a heck of a lot nicer as does quite a few nabes. In fact parts of the Bronx are becoming high class and high rent. The people changed and some places are a horror like Fordham road (way too gaudy) but the spirit is still high,people still commute to Manhattan to work and the beat goes on.
Raptorman0909 (9 months ago)
The S-curve was at about 110th street but what avenue was closest? I'm looking for the apartment build mentioned at about 5:32 in the video, but the closest I can find are two octagonal buildings at 110th and 5th that are much higher than the buildings shown here. Love these old movies...
Tom Oakhill (7 months ago)
Yes there they are on Google Maps. Not the slightest hint that there was an El there. Just this odd shaped building.
kiwitrainguy (8 months ago)
Yep, just found it on Google Maps. Just look for The Cathedral School of St. John The Divine.
West side, not East. The buildings mentioned in the narration are on the east side of Columbus Avenue between 109th Street and 110th/Cathedral Parkway.
Russell Kovach (9 months ago)
Does any portion of this line exist as the northeast corridor departure from Penn towards New England today? It's always struck me as surprisingly elevated looking back on Manhattan...
The Putnam Bridge, which carried the Ninth Avenue Line across the Harlem River, was originally built by the New York and Putnam Railroad, which became part of the New York Central. When the Putnam line was rebuilt to connect to the NYC Hudson line, the Ninth Avenue was extended over it to connect to the Woodlawn line. The New York Connecting, which connects the LIRR to the Hell Gate Bridge, is another line entirely.
Charles Beyer (9 months ago)
One of the elevator entrances remained on 110th Street on the north side up until about 1980 or so, looked out of place. It was featured in New York's Changing Scene in the NY Daily News.
Adrienne B (7 months ago)
And behind the elevator building was Substation 4 with its Manhattan Railway Company inscription.
ADK creditking (9 months ago)
Wonderful footage. As a very young boy in The Bronx, I remember seeing a train movement on the remnant of the 9th Ave. El between the Polo Grounds at 155th and the 167th St. station. A two or three car consist as I remember. There almost was no purpose to having this shuttle, especially after the Giants left for San Francisco.
Glen h (1 month ago)
I went to rodeos there and they had a few other events-I am 65 but remember taking the shuttle a few times and I hung out by the river right next to the walkway near Sedgwick.
Adrienne B (7 months ago)
The shuttle started with three-car trains in 1940, then was reduced to two cars a year later. Single-track operation using the northbound track started in the spring of 1958 after the Giants left but before the Put closed. There is photo evidence of the shuttle with a four-car consist, but this was during the summer of 1958 when Jehovah's Witness conventions were being held at both Yankee Stadium and the Polo Grounds.
murray1575 (9 months ago)
Not only that but the shuttle could not be operated with postwar cars. Also there is another line (the D) which runs parallel to the old shuttle route and has a free transfer to the 4 at 161st.
The Times said that by the end, the shuttle service was handled by a single two- car train. The Giants had left, the New York Central had discontinued passenger service on the Putnam line, and the bridge over the Harlem needed major repairs. For the few thousand people the shuttle carried, it wasn't worth it.
Cats01 (9 months ago)
There's truck moving from right to left at about 6:21. I think that was a battery-powered electric truck.
strafrag1 (9 months ago)
Excellent video. Thanks.
Rose White (10 months ago)
enormous amount of iron and steel used to make the elevateds?
common sense (5 months ago)
the steel was sold to japan to build their navy. regretted dec 7 1941.
kiwitrainguy (8 months ago)
That also stuck me. It looks very "industrial". Certainly steel built the USA. These days they would use reinforced concrete.
Craig F. Thompson (9 months ago)
Rose White Maybe so; however, the amount of materials used comes up to MUCH LESS than what a highway of equivalent capacity would require!! Costs MUCH LESS t'boot!!!!
Hoss Gardner (10 months ago)
Absolutely Fantastic.
Jeffrey Ornstein (10 months ago)
That was great, thanks!
Ken Konard (10 months ago)
This is a most valuable film for the sake of history. Thank you for uploading it.
Zack Boone (10 months ago)
4:45, the original video railfan.
coldwar1952 (10 months ago)
And 18 years later, in Louis Restaurant someplace below, Michael, Virgil Sollozzo and Capt McCluskey are having a late dinner, having been served the best veal in the city, and a bottle of wine that wasn't decanted.
Glen h (1 month ago)
I used to deliver shrimp there when I was a teenager. Max Divack's fish market is where I worked on Gunhill. I used that "pull chain" toilet that was not a prop (well maybe for the scene in was done in a studio but it did not have to have been-it was a pull chain just like we had at home when we lived on Washington Av and 179th love the nostaliga
visionpersistance (2 months ago)
Anthony Marcano Absolute right, I went to Junior High School, roughly a mile south of there at White Plains Rd and Boston Road
Anthony Marcano (5 months ago)
SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS.
Anthony Marcano (5 months ago)
LOUIES RESTAURANT WAS ON GUN HILL ROAD AND WHITE PLAINS ROAD IN THE BRONX. i KNOW. I'VE EATEN THERE IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES ABOUT THE TIME THEY SHOT THAT SCENE THERE.
Dave Crockett (6 months ago)
coldwar1952 ....If I'm not mistaken, the Capt's wonderful veal meal (did I actually do that.....veal meal ?) was interrupted by a well placed msg from the Corleone's.
Lois Simmons (10 months ago)
While I am too young for most of the 9th Avenue el, I do remember the shuttle. With Google satellite view and street view, you can still see remnants of it and I have been able to see where it emerged from the outcropping before crossing Jerome Avenue in The Bronx into the Anderson-Jerome Avenue station. Although the Woodlawn-Jerome (4 Train) is over Jerome Avenue for most of its run in The Bronx, the 9th Avenue el connected to it when it was over River Ave (which is where it is when it passes Yankee Stadium, both the old and new versions). I loved the way this video intersperses some 1899 footage (including a steam engine pulling the train) with 1929 footage. The only possible correction I would offer is the pronunciation of Macombs. Growing up in the city, we always pronounced it to rhyme with "womb", not "comb" as the narrator pronounced it.
Glen h (1 month ago)
Aww that's alright as long as you know "House-ton" Street and never call 6th ave "Ave of the America's" or 7th "Fashion ave" lol
Craig F. Thompson (9 months ago)
However, there is the "dam" in the name; just WHERE was that dam?!
Thank you for the correction. I should have checked the web on this.
Chris Kelling (10 months ago)
Love the footage and the informarion. Good job!
Cats01 (10 months ago)
Wonderful video!!!!  I'm a former NY'er.  Don't remember the 9th Avenue El.  Thanks for posting.
Ian Dale (7 months ago)
Most of it was demolished in 1940-41, the rest in 1958
Craig F. Thompson (9 months ago)
Cats01 "Don't remember the 9th Avenue El" ?!?! WHY NOT?!?!?!
MoonwolfeConsulting (10 months ago)
Wow, wonderfully informative.
Mike Ohlinger (10 months ago)
Sweet... Thank You Speed Graphics Film and Video.
douglasskinner (10 months ago)
Wonderful footage. A portal into the past; a past which wasn't all that long ago, only 20 years before I was born. But those sepia colored images seem almost from the ancient past. I almost can't remember a time when people dressed respectably.
latuit ward (9 months ago)
shattered spirit,its not a cable car.the car is running on an underground 3rd.rail system.
Go MGTOW (10 months ago)
Imagine trying to SLEEP at night with those trains running past the windows like that?
Glen h (1 month ago)
I was so used to the 3rd ave El in the Bronx that when they tore it down I could not get to sleepp for months
Leslie Scarver (8 months ago)
People still try and sleep with the elevated portions of subway lines today.
Queen Bee (8 months ago)
Craig F. Thompson You and Ms. Simmons were so interesting! Thank you for all that. I’m just a Connecticut girl who only got to visit, so it’s so nice to hear from insiders. Sorry you were kidnapped, but at least it’s not snowing on you now!
Craig F. Thompson (8 months ago)
Lois Simmons My Gawd, Ms. Simmons,....I didn't know there were so many of us NYC subway fans out there!! I'm originally from Brooklyn, born right next to the Franklin Avenue Shuttle! For the first ten years of my life, my family and I were literally surrounded by public transit options; the shuttle to the west (and south one block to the Park Place station), the IRT lines under Eastern Parkway, the BMT lines under Flatbush Avenue, the IND line under Fulton Street (Duke Ellington & Billy Strayhorn should come to mind here), and the Long Island Rail Road, both over and under Atlantic Avenue (elevated station at Nostrand avenue with the tunnel portal at Bedford Avenue; the terminal was located right at Flatbush & Atlantic Avenues, where it still is). I remember when the shuttle had two tracks as far as a now-non-existent station known as Dean Street; just north of the platform was a spring switch that allowed a northbound train to enter the single track terminal at Fulton/Franklin. I remember the use of the BMT 67-foot "Standard" cars with an odd seating arrangement which the city of Toronto later copied for their subway cars!! And, like you, I remember the "tens" (R-10 cars); their "railfan window" set into the end doors, was ALWAYS a treat, unlike these new "Europeanoidal" cars where the motorman (or "operator" today) consumes the entire front of the vehicle in a full-width cab, which is not passenger-friendly at all!!!! My best seats were always transverse, facing forward, next to a window. (I HATE the parallel bench arrangement that was so prevalent on the IRT; I see that this "disease" has spread to the BMT and IND as well! This IRT-style arrangement has done quite a lot in assisting in the starting of negative (and SELDOM positive) situations!!). The subways, and New York City as a whole, were good things in my life; it's been said that all good things come to an end,and as a result, we were kidnapped out of New York and dumped into the world's largest septic tank of subhumanity: southern California!! NOTHING HERE BUT HITLER AND HIS AUTOBAHN!!!!
Craig F. Thompson (8 months ago)
kiwitrainguy Presently, the only time the "A" train runs elevated is when it reaches a station known as "Grant Avenue" (or Grant "street")?! After this point, the train then operates over a section of the old Fulton Street El, sometimes going to Lefferts Blvd., while others branch off onto the old Long Island Rail Road Cross Bay Line, now owned and operated by the NYCTA (since 1956). That line, now known as the Rockaway Line, branches into two segments once it reaches the Rockaway Peninsula; one goes to Far Rockaway to the east, and the other goes to Rockaway Park, where a small storage yard is located. Btw, may I ask you to please check out www.railserve.com ?! I believe you'll find a wealth of further information on this subject!!
Mike Gross (10 months ago)
Thanks for sharing this vintage film with us! I lived in NYC for a few years in my pre-teen years and never heard of the "suicide curve". I loved to take the "el" and subways as a child and rode the first car BY MYSELF every where I desired to go.
Queen Bee (8 months ago)
Lois Simmons Thank you for all the information. Though not a New Yorker, I’m familiar enough with the area to figure it out because of your excellent description.
Craig F. Thompson (9 months ago)
WOW! IN THIS LITTLE COMMENT SECTION, I'VE DISCOVERED THAT THERE ARE OTHERS WHO APPRECIATE THE FORWARD VIEW AS MUCH AS I MYSELF!!!! YET, YOU'LL STILL GET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO'LL SAY THAT THEIR SUBWAY IS BETTER THAN NEW YORK'S; THOSE SYSTEMS OPERATE CARS THAT ARE HORRIBLY SIMILAR TO FREIGHT CARS, WITH NO FORWARD VIEW!!!! THIS MEANS THAT CERTAIN LANDMARKS, VISIBLE ONLY THROUGH THE FORWARD VIEW, ARE TOTALLY INVISIBLE TO THE PASSENGERS, THUS FORCING THEM TO DEPEND ON THE ONBOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS, QUITE A NUMBER OF WHICH HAVE OFTEN BEEN INACCURATE!!!!!! ANOTHER THING ABOUT NYC; THEY OPERATE THEIR SYSTEM 24/7/365, UNLIKE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE REST OF THE WORLD....
Ken Konard (10 months ago)
We all loved it. My kid brother and I rode many trains in the lead car, pretending we were operating them.
Lois Simmons (10 months ago)
+Mike Gross For me and my big brother, it didn't matter whether it was an elevated section, underground section or something in between. He and I would have our noses pressed up against that front window. We would see unusual places on the system like the Wilson Ave station on the 14th Street-Canarsie line (half below ground and half above ground with a cemetery next to the above ground part). The one thing that would get us away from that front window for a moment was when an express train and local train would pull out from the station at the same time. If the other train was going faster for a moment, you would get the sensation of going backward. It was so cool.

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