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The Molyneux Cycle (The Jimquisition)

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http://www.patreon.com/jimquisition http://www.thejimquisition.com To act as if Peter Molyneux is only now being unfairly criticized for one troubled Kickstarter is to ignore years and years of easily traceable insincerity. To believe he's owed the benefit of the doubt because he did Theme Hospital is to gloss over the fact he cashed that credit in long, long ago. Molyneux has a cycle, and it needs breaking.
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SerMattzio (3 days ago)
To be fair, Molyneux must have some sincerity because the whole "God of Gods" thing in Godus would make no sense to even do if he was trying to lie for money. He's basically put a load of work into inviting a kid to his studio, allowing him to publicly release a video in which he promises him something "life-changing"...and then it didn't happen. It's not like that happening would have benefited him in any way - instead it made him look inept. I don't get the same vibe from him as I got from Sean Murray, who intentionally lied blatantly like a snake for months all the way up until days before his game released about features that didn't (and still don't) exist. Murray was actively making shit up just to weasel people into buying One Man's Lie. By contrast it feels like Molyneux believes his own hype, but is seemingly lacking the industry competence or team to ever live up to it, plus he seems to struggle not to keep bullshitting because it's how he's always done business.
Evan Kerr (2 months ago)
I personally enjoyed fable 2, the ending choices were kind of shit. However, the game was so much better than that piece of shit fable 3.
Jacabo Blanco (2 months ago)
Why are people still getting hyped for Molyneux games? All the Xbox fans are nutting over the new fable as if it'll be any different
Panda Arakawa (2 months ago)
At least Fable 1, 2 and 3 are good games despite them not living up to what was promised.
pr0xy (2 months ago)
Lets not mention the irony that the first Fable was the only good one.
varietywiarrior (3 months ago)
Daily reminder that Fable the Lost Chapters was actually pretty good(especially at the time), and Fable 2 was basically okay enough to beat at least one time.
Terry Beardmore (3 months ago)
I would kill for a new fable, free of Molyneux by a competent studio
InvocareIgnis1 (3 months ago)
black and white was pretty good though,... very original i thought,... at least it is in my memory
Christie Beck (3 months ago)
Coming back to this video after about 3 years, and realizing Molyneux sounded like he BS'd his way through a job interview. "What is your greatest weakness?" "I think sometimes I get TOO passionate and TOO excited and I come up with TOO MANY good ideas."
566,666 views... oh boy!
TF D (3 months ago)
The only person I can think of who is a bigger liar than Molyneux is Donald Trump
Taxtro (3 months ago)
I don't understand why he isn't hated much more. Just look at the backlash Randy Pitchford and Sean Murray got for lying about ONE game. In the meanwhile Molyneux is a pathological liar, who deceives the customers on EVERY single game, he puts out.
Rhaenyra Reigns (4 months ago)
Since it was one huge apology-centric video the ending checks out.
Rhaenyra Reigns (4 months ago)
I'm enjoying your Starscream figure and s3xvally abvs3d Alien one... say, is it a sign of overreaction caused by Aliens: Colonial Marines...? I don't blame you. Let's continue to slam the fv<kery.
Rhaenyra Reigns (4 months ago)
I simply love this background instrumental that you're using, Jim. <3 Thank God for you, indeed. ^___^'
John Redant (4 months ago)
I have arrived late into the story. This is my take: even though there are people like Tim Schaeffer and Peter Molyneux in the gaming industry who have been driving forces behind fantastic games, despite the negative press and swelled egos, my reaction has been one of anonymity. I can probably contribute that to not following anyone on crowdfunding campaigns. As Dan Ibbertson has illustrated in some of his videos, there are others out there who are dangerous to the gaming industry...ones who promises the world and runs away with your money. Peter and Tim have delivered in the past. They have a few bumps, pissed people off, but the passion is pure.
irllcd13 (5 months ago)
The idea of Molyneux ever praising Fable 3 while shittalking Fable 2 is laughable. Say what you will about Molynuex himself, Fable 2 is an ok game. It's not even close to what was hyped, but it's not terrible. It's decent. Fable 3 is legitimately bad. It was bad the day it came out and it's bad now. Health regen is shit in FPSs and it's 100% unacceptable in a game like Fable 3, especially when there are no actual UI queues to the health, and it instead relies on desaturating the colors, "heartbeat" thumps and blood on the screen. That's just one example of the many glaring issues in Fable 3, going over the others will just get me worked up. I used to defend Molyneux, being one of the dopes that would say "It's not his fault, he just gets so excited that he promises things no one could deliver, but the end product is always still good!" That's crap. First, it's not always good. Second, it doesn't justify his ridiculous overhpying.
T Timeler (5 months ago)
So basically, peter likes to wait a while to ADMIT he is a sack of shit ;)
catnugget (5 months ago)
I loved Fable 2.
Ian Huffman (5 months ago)
I personally liked Fable I-III, granted I was quite younger when those were out and I wasn't in the habit of listening to developer "updates" during development, and would simply grab the games that caught my eye in the store. I think the lack of hype is actually one of the reasons I liked them whilst a lot of others did not. And by no means are those games bad (at least in my eyes) so I'd have to say that all the hype and smoke-blowing is probably one of the things that ruined it for so many. It's kinda sad that that's the way it went, but what are ya gonna do?
Pyro Gear (6 months ago)
In the words of Door Monster: "Peter Molyneux is a false prophet. Don't believe him"
joe grimes (7 months ago)
Say what you want, but I enjoyed all of his games. It's not like they were complte garbage. Even had great fun with a friend on Fable 3 the worst Fable. He oversells, but his game is usually fun.
Combed Autumn (7 months ago)
i dont have a problem with molyneux or the fact hes under delivered in some peoples opinions more than once. He has been at the heart of some of the greatest games in history. its like when a band makes an amazing first couple of albums and then produces crap for the next 20 years... 20 years of crap does not detract from the genius of the past it just means their best years are behind them... happens to everything, and it happens on an accelerated time scale with creative people. most creative people start with fire, hit a peak then dwindle into tripe, shuffling about like a pensioner in a night club trying to relive their glory days. this is no different.
The Fiercest of Deities (7 months ago)
fable 2 was my favorite fable.
pierre117 (7 months ago)
Molyneux should be in a mental asylum
Lucien Hicks (7 months ago)
Some videos I randomly find Larry Bundy in the comments section... But apparently not the ones you expect. :)
Kevin Zaccaro (8 months ago)
0:18 He almost looks like what would happen if Andy Partridge became a Nazi-lite dictator.
Matt Killam (8 months ago)
Why do you even have an intro song? Yeah the song sounds pretty good but it doesnt fit a video commemting on video games at all
Elric of Melniboné (8 months ago)
You forgot to mention Curiosity. You know, that "experimental game" and contest that he ran to garner money and publicity. Remember, the one where he promised -- specifically promised, repeatedly -- that the first person to reach the center and discover what was inside the cube (which he claimed would be, and I quote, "life-changingly amazing by any definition") would receive a prize that he described similarly (that it would be "life-changingly amazing" and "beyond imagination"). A Scottish teenager by the name of Bryan Henderson won the contest, found jack-shit inside the cube, and never actually got the prize that Peter Molyneux promised (or literally any prize at all for that matter). Molyneux then proceeded to blame it on everyone else in 22cans (which is his own company that he himself runs, remember). Then everyone promptly forgot about it and no one ever called Molyneux out. Bryan Henderson never got anything and was just sort of quietly forgotten after 22cans cut off all contact with him. That little event alone should be enough to immediately dispel any ideas that Molyneux is well meaning or even a semi-decent human being. He's a manipulative liar with no conscience, who will say literally anything to get attention and/or money. Yet no one ever brings it up. Games media bends over backward to present Peter Molyneux as sympathetically as possible, and he blatantly doesn't deserve it. He's literally just a con-artist who got lucky and somehow managed to make it big.
Elliott Holt (8 months ago)
Fable 1 was a good game, 2 and 3 not so much.
John von Shepard (8 months ago)
Peter Molyneux did nothing wron......
Ivan Ivanson (9 months ago)
I really want a new fable, Fable 3 was shit and I won't bring up The Journey. I'm sad about the direction this series took
El Carlos (9 months ago)
Best thing Molyneux ever made was Magic Carpet 1 & 2, amazing games for their time.
Doom30025 (9 months ago)
He'll say its the hardware's problem after praising it for being the reason for joining the Microsoft team. makes a small game pause at 6:02...... that looks like demasces  from assassins creed 1 witch came out 1 year later......... games later the world got even smaller........Also you know when he's lying when he smiles and does compulsive hand gestures.
Onechill Braj (9 months ago)
its not fully his fault. we have trained him to know that that behavior is not punished strictly enough.
Mike D (9 months ago)
Holy shit!! *Mindblown* It's 2017 and I'm loving going back to these old video's Jim (-fucking Sterling son.) Only joined about a year ago, these vids are gold!
Foxconnie (10 months ago)
I actually liked the fable 2 story and consider it the best game of the fable series in my opinion.
Foxconnie (10 months ago)
I always loved your videos and especially you barbarian arena (idk if i got the tittle wrong) gameplay. you have come a long way and i hope your channal grows even more. :)
Baleur (10 months ago)
He literally designed a game where people tap away on blocks of a huge cube, and sold tools that tapped away more blocks per click, for real fucking money. No, i mean, we all know this but, really, THINK about how fucked up that is. Fuck him.
Jim Morgan (10 months ago)
I can tell this dude is a huge hit with the Laaaaaydeeees!
Lordkul (10 months ago)
lol, I thought this was about stefan molyneux, thank god it wasn't. I watch Jim for games, not his politics/philosophy. :P
will brinkley (11 months ago)
I had the privilege of Alpha testing Fable during its development in the early 2000s. It showed great promise, and did ok on PC, but the original build and vision required more power and resources than the Xbox could handle. It had to be dialed back considerably. The version i beta tested was filled with glitches and game breaking bugs and still couldn't fit on disk and was stored on the hard drive of a modded Xbox console. It would have had to been preloaded on the console and if you already owned an Xbox you wouldn't have been able to buy a physical disk. It sucks, but I understand why they cut more content for the final release. I'm currently Alpha testing a space shooter/flying MMO that I can't name for legal reasons lol, but trust me, Sean Murray and Peter molyneux will soon lose their crowns as biggest douche bag developers. Not only does the unnamed space Alpha have $150-$1200.00 micro transactions, the game itself is a $140 million dollar, unstable mess that not even the devs themselves can keep running long enough to demonstrate to the public.
Gredddfe (11 months ago)
RIP Drill Queen.
1987MartinT (11 months ago)
I like Fable I, but it isn't what was promised. And I've gotten tired of being promised the Earth and receiving a sandbox instead.
Portaller (1 year ago)
Peter Molyneux is a good developer, but he needs oversight. Molyneux's cycle of overpromising and underdelievering goes back all the way to Bullfrog and the first Populus. You just cannot let the man be in charge of anything.
One Player Mode (1 year ago)
I really enjoyed these games but yes, so much nonsense from Peter Molyneux .. how does this guy still get hired!
tyrongkojy (1 year ago)
The worst part is that the Fables aren't bad titles. Some would argue they're actually GREAT. If he would have learnt to just accept his own limitations in game design, Lionhead might not have shut down.
Perry Martin (1 year ago)
Man's a hack, then. Got it.
Tom Snooze (1 year ago)
Molyneux has always been a windbag. The original Sean Murray. I don't know why anyone takes him seriously anymore.
MidoriMushrooms (1 year ago)
wait so it's a bad thing to laugh at this guy putting his foot in his mouth over and over again? Good god, I have bigger fish to fry than some overzealous dev who can't rein in his enthusiasm...like the truly malicious ones who talk out their bitter old asses about how mobile gamers are disgusting or online multiplayer is for losers. (miyamoto)
Flintlox (1 year ago)
I thought I saw Stefan Molyneux in the thumbnail. That would be a weird fucking video.
magicrainbow aids (1 year ago)
Peter molywho
Favillion Bellarion (1 year ago)
if your going to bullshit on your games don't go off on one if someone calls you out on said bullshit and cry meany meany poophead
Der_Mantie (1 year ago)
Is this the game gestapo?
Fuzzy Barbarian (1 year ago)
That ending was perfect, Jim
Lena Aalt (1 year ago)
A sad case really. He really wanted to create THE perfect game but oh boy...the game he wanted to create would probably take upwards of 20 years. Why couldn't he keep his mouth shut?
Thomas Gannon (1 year ago)
Ending was perfect.
liamr7777 (1 year ago)
Molyneux is a legend and one of my favourite game producers. Despite what people say.
Quiwi Lin Lisolet (1 year ago)
Molyneux should be handcuffed to one of his coders, and that coder should have the right to slap him if he starts daydreaming about what they will do :) Seriously I like the guy, but he does have a strong habit of speaking about what he would want to make instead of what can be done in each of his games.
Andre Gon (1 year ago)
I think Molyneux believes in what he promises, the thing is: he doesn't have the ability to deliver. Molyneux is most likely passionate at making games, but he lacks the talent. I think his apologies are sincere as much as his promises are. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be willing to correct his flaws. I don't even know if he acknowledges them.
Kappa (1 year ago)
3:55 "8 game characters who will have sex with anything"
Fizalex (1 year ago)
That ending! Oh god that was hilarious. Thank God for Jim Fucking Sterling Son.
Alex Everett-last (1 year ago)
Black and white 1 & 2 were excellent. Shame about the rest...
Nick K (1 year ago)
I miss Black and White. Loved that old game.
Northernmight (1 year ago)
I adore the first Fable, the second and third i didn't find fun at all, for some reason.
Just Some Guy Ok (1 year ago)
I liked Fable 2. I wonder if he does this shit on purpose or if he's genuinely unaware of the cycle...
ZarPof (1 year ago)
The odd thing, the 1st Fabel was really good. Maybe not all that was promised but was still great. They progressively got less interesting with each new installment.
Beast n' Brushes (1 year ago)
Godus looks a lot like Black and White, another title by Lionhead Studios I believe
Jonathan Walmsley (1 year ago)
Nah, he's a charlatan mate, a snake oil salesman, johnny in the hood.
MystBunnyGaming (1 year ago)
Still waiting for a Fable 2 PC release.
Wooky810 (1 year ago)
I enjoyed the first two games immensly. But the third one, i finally started having and gun an it was over. It wasnt bad gamewise, just a massive letdown and diappointment.
Tensai55 (1 year ago)
Molyneux does basically what No Man's Sky did - in an effort to hype the game, makes up a bunch of stuff (either maliciously or out of pure excitement, who knows) that isn't actually in the game and then as a result, the game faces a bunch of criticism it wouldn't have faced if they'd just kept their fucking mouths shut. Ok, I take part of that back. At least the Fable games have a fucking point to them and aren't just doing the exact same thing over and over again and the "ending" is opening up a brand new area where you can do all of the great nothing over again. (Yes, I'm still a bit bitter over that)
Enuma Elish (1 year ago)
The irony of the cycle starting with Fable is that the fable series got progressively worse, not better. The first Fable was a great game, a far cry from what was promised but still a great game in its own right. Fable 2 was a good game, certain changes to the formula lead to disappointment from a lot of people and the lack of real bosses aside from maybe the Commandant and Spire Shard was completely left alot of people scratching their head because the first Fable had alot of really good bosses in it. Fable 3... well Fable 3 was a trainwreck. I found almost nothing redeeming about it. From the very start I could tell it was fucked. And sadly that where my experience ends, I never even bother with Journey because 3 so utterly broke my faith in the series that I couldn't bring myself to support it anymore.
Gareth Evans (1 year ago)
Molynuex has done far more for the industry than most people will ever achieve, only to be dragged over the coals by the likes of Rock, Paper, Shotgun. I get it, he fucked up but tearing into the guy proves nothing. After watching the Kim Justice documentary on him, there was an exert of the RSP interview with Molyneux stating “I haven’t got a reputation in this industry any more”. At which point, my heart sunk and i genuinely felt sorry for the poor bastard. I mean, imagine being at the top for so many years, in top ranking positions at the likes of EA and Microsoft then so low that you would say that about yourself. Self inflicted it may be and after reading the whole RPS interview, I personally wish he had just left the industry on a decent respectable footing instead of insisting on answering to talentless fannies. His successes over the first 15-20 years far outweigh fluffed up complaints about acorns and i'll always remember those games as some of the best i will ever play.
Phurios Phoenix (1 year ago)
Maybe it was just me but I enjoyed Fable 2 and 3. Yes there were issues but it was still a fun experience in both games for me.
Phurios Phoenix (1 year ago)
+TaoScribble Yeah I get what you mean, thankfully I don't think I paid too much attention to the hype at that time.
TaoScribble (1 year ago)
It's not that they weren't fun, but more that they didn't have what he insisted they were going to have. If not for that, there wouldn't be as much negativity towards them.
Chio Chan Genocide (1 year ago)
Know what fuck, if the man can get away with lying this much to sell dissapointing games and people will still buy them, fuck em, they deserve it
xXskinnygamerXx (1 year ago)
he should remake populous the beginning
xXskinnygamerXx (1 year ago)
i liked fable 2
Peter Dümpel (1 year ago)
I heard, he'd like to make a new fable.
Novakira Sato (1 year ago)
Anyone else thought he was referring to Stefan Molyneux?
One Dead Pixel (1 year ago)
Novakira Sato oh Jesus, you're actually one of them.
One Dead Pixel (1 year ago)
Novakira Sato "not an argument"
Novakira Sato (1 year ago)
+Adios Male Issues. The fact that you think everyone on the internet is going to understand your lame jokes is indicative of you being small minded and socially deprived. And with you being such a piece of shit, I do support you getting shot. ::cue audience laughter::
Novakira Sato (1 year ago)
+Adios Male Issues. It is an argument when you're pointing out another persons lack of an argument. If then you decide to say "Not an argument" again in rebuttal, you're failing to revise and review your original erroneous statements. Therefore the secondary respondents "Not an argument" becomes invalidated. The burden of formulating an argument falls on the person originally not having one.
Novakira Sato (1 year ago)
+Adios Male Issues. "Stefan Molyneaux logic" #NotAnArgument
Jace Cavacini (1 year ago)
The last bit was hilarious
Arcduck (1 year ago)
Fable 2 is the best fable, fable 1 and 3 are crap.
Seosamh Wray (1 year ago)
From what little I've played of Lost Chapters, I think Fable's ok. Fable 2 is definitely a good game and compared to its sequel was a lot better. In particular at the very end having that middle choice that's not holy saint good or greedy bastard evil was interesting and rather realistic. 3 was sadly rather disappointing despite seeming like it could have been so much better.
finalboss (1 year ago)
I don't know i just can't hate on him. Peter made games that are now my childhood memories, the good ones.
Bongo2k (1 year ago)
omg its Garth Marenghi
SupaL33tKillar (1 year ago)
hello games learning from the best
irllcd13 (5 months ago)
But when Molyneux became infamous, he had to do it all on his own. Sean Murray had YouTube to do a lot of the hype for him. The gamers helped Hello games sell that bullshit, but Molyneux is from before that was even a thing so it's entirely on him.
SupaL33tKillar ROASTED
Grant Moxham (1 year ago)
yes!
Alestorm (1 year ago)
Guess you can say that he's is a worthy successor.
Klishar122 (1 year ago)
Yep, though I'd say Sean Murray outdid Peter, by a lot.
BloodfelX (1 year ago)
I just can't sympathise with Molyneux. I can't even really think of him as a person as much as a corporate face. And that makes me sad, yet it still provokes no sympathy.
Molyneux looks a bit like Peter Scully. Now I feel sorry for him.
[sic] (1 year ago)
I "Molyneux" all the time. I get excited about something and make promises I can't keep. It's annoying, I hate that I do it but I can't help it sometimes. I want to involve people in what I'm doing but I do it too soon before I have anything tangible to show off. Making promises is dumb. I have an image I have to make for a game now because I said I'd do it, for free, for a mod pack for Oolite, I'm not getting paid or anything, I just tied myself into a verbal contract for no reason because I'm an idiot. I had to restrain myself from doing the same thing with some music too!
Taxtro (3 months ago)
[sic] Bullshit. If that was so, how come Molyneux never informs people about his failure BEFORE selling the game? I'm tired of these pathetic excuses. He is a liar, who deceives people into buying his games.
One Dead Pixel (1 year ago)
CowLunch I've been guilty of this my whole life. in more recent years I've actually found that I totally overcorrect for this, and I never share anything with anyone until I've completed it.
Spartan0430 (1 year ago)
that effect has been studied for decades. informing people of your intentions and plans can give you the satisfaction as if you've done it which can lower your motivation to actually finish your project, goal, or whatever. god knows i've done it a lot in stuff like minecraft or space engineers
P A (1 year ago)
fable 1 and 2 werent that bad what are u smoking
Roman Kushniriuk (1 year ago)
Scotts Barbarossa Logic it also played like boring shlok
I also quite enjoyed Fable 1 and Fable 2, but the issue is not whether the games were good, but whether games held the promises made by Peter Molyneux: you could not play as your children, NPCs would not seek vengeance, there was no oak tree that would grow as you played the game.
berry jordaan (1 year ago)
Here is the thing that make Pete's games great. He never knew what it took to create great games but he could make promises that he didn't had to keep. It was the brilliant people working with him who had to make those ideas a reality. Pete became a lier when those people could no longer keep up with his ambitious ideas. That is why it's so easy for him to slag off his previous games because he has no idea what it took to make those games. Ask the programmers and artists of those games, I'm sure they are fucking proud of their work regardless. But here is why we need Pete. Most developers will create games within their abilities. With Petie promising the moon, it pushes the creators to develop beyond their limitations. But us gamers should just stop believing people like Peter and take their games for what it's worth. Even some of the over promised games were good. We take these "lies" to personally.
loli duck (1 year ago)
What he calls fable 2 shit and fable 3 better, fable 2 was the best one of the series
jordan rivard (1 year ago)
Didn't the fable get worse with every release? I mean one is thought of as being pretty good it not what was promised 2 is kind of ok and 3 has the reputation of a pile of shot
Christoffer .Klase (1 year ago)
I personally enjoyed Fable and The Lost Chapters over the sequels due to a single problem they shared, you're invincible. You can't die in Fable 2 and 3.
Ciaran Statham (1 year ago)
Fable 2 has the best reviews, and while the story isn't quite as interesting as the first, it develops on the gameplay of the first in every way. Molyneux also had little involvement in 3 until the very end, which is why a number of elements seem very disparate and forced in, perhaps making the game as bad as it is.
Shawnee Longbow (2 years ago)
Wait. He couldn't get that "acorn to a tree" thing to work, when a game like Onimusha got that "egg to a full grown chicken" thing to work? Smh..
Some game devs might be unable to pull off the same thing other devs could.
PJB Rown (2 years ago)
I know the Molyneux cycle as the Gene Simmons cycle.
MrNotgoth (2 years ago)
He came back
Jeff White (2 years ago)
A few select friends of mine and myself share a little inside joke, where, when we satirically hype something, we call it a "Molyneux promise"
Pc Genie (1 year ago)
Now it's becoming less and less of an inside joke for you all!
SupaDanteX (2 years ago)
Keep in mind I'm someone who never heard any of those promises about the original Fable (and if I - had -, I'm pretty sure I'd not be overly happy upon actually playing the game) But even without all that stuff, I mean, Fable 1 The Lost Chapters (the version I played) Is still like, one of my top 10 games ever. Was it as good as Peter said it was? No, no, 100 times no. But its still (in my opinion anyway) a really really good game and RPG.
Ciaran Statham (1 year ago)
Well, nobody's saying Fable 1 and 2 are *bad* games; they both reviewed fairly well and are pretty good, but Peter did make certain promises that were never reached or made. So it's not that he made bad games, it's that he overhypes elements people probably wouldn't have cared about or that they only began paying attention to because he said something would be in the game.
Nushi1098 (2 years ago)
Watching this since the lead designer of Godus has been fired, and it's almost pretty much abandoned
BLACKIESBOY (2 years ago)
You know, a famous bard wrote a poem about this sort of thing, about Molyneux complaining about having a fucking budget thanks to Kickstarter. "If I call you a nappy headed ho: ain't nothin' to it. Gangsta rap made me do it."
jjj7790 (2 years ago)
Peter is a great idea guy and a salesman. I bet without him a lot of excellent games wouldn't have even gotten off the ground. His problem was he didn't know when to shut up. The Lionhead retrospective that came out talks about multiple times he would go to expos and talk about "upcoming features" and come back to the office with the whole development team wanting to strangle him.
jekblom123 (1 year ago)
he gets too excited.

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