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Destiny 2 Caught Lying About End Game XP Gain

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Destiny 2 contained a hidden XP scaling that actively lied about the amount of experience end game users were getting. It's now fixed, but that doesn't erase the fact Activision Blizzard was content with it remaining until it got caught.
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Rev Funk (7 days ago)
They just doubled amount of xp needed immediately after lol
Altaris01 (1 month ago)
I dont get why people keep buying activision games i stop buying ea and activision games a loooooong time ago
Kieron Peddle (1 month ago)
I had an advert for Destiny 2 right before this and all
NoctisApparatus (2 months ago)
I don't even play Destiny 2 and even I feel frustrated for its playerbase
Back Country Pastimes (2 months ago)
Ah, Jim. I see you've used dynasty warriors OST theme music in the background. You sir have good taste. I too am a slave to the dynasty addiction :) can't get enough of the series
Jun123 (2 months ago)
Bungie had to "investigate" their own game. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bradley Oconnell (3 months ago)
Valve do seem really unprofessional in their response
irllcd13 (5 months ago)
This change doesn't magically turn Destiny 2 into a good game. It's still shit.
Markamanic (8 months ago)
I love how they thought they remastered CoD4 by not making CoD4
Jim, that is why I fucking quit playing destiny 1 because of this bullshit. The only way to teach these cash whores is by not buying their game.
GrimmyReaper (9 months ago)
Hey Jim. There was another cap found. Check this http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/361471-reddit-user-discover-another-hidden-cap-destiny-2 Basically, Glimmer farm is also capped for a single time span you kill enemies and gets worse if you subsequently farm enemies for it.
Montesama314 (9 months ago)
How many people have been fucked over by this point before the "free market" sorted it out?
Rook (9 months ago)
I remember the good old days when Blizzard were more like steam than they were like EA. ]:8| 'Blizzaard Activision' thats like a 'Raspberry Turd' and is no more appetizing than a straight up regular turd.
Darc Defentor (10 months ago)
I feel that anyone who paid attention to the experience gain, you would of noticed this yourself, yet here is thousands of idiots who bought the game. So you lose twice, get over it.
Jon dow (10 months ago)
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holoandwolf (10 months ago)
just great
Cupid (10 months ago)
just play warframe, you get better value
caspergolightly (10 months ago)
What a shame that such a talented studio should end with a legacy of cheating and lying to its own fans
Jeffrey 778 (10 months ago)
so thats why 1- 17 level took 24 hours and 17-20 took 30 mins lol
David Gaynor (10 months ago)
Eh, very mediocre game anyway.
Brad H (10 months ago)
They are doing a similar thing with cod ww2. They release the game with "accidental" double/triple xp and make it terribly slow now. Plus you used to get an abundance of supply drops now you get them no where near as often
Shlomo Shekelstein (10 months ago)
Anyone who bought a Destiny game deserves it. I'm finding it harder and harder over the years to feel sorry for customers who falls for this shit. It's not like activision hasn't pulled this shit before. It's like buying a EA game and complaining about microtransaction or buying a Bethesda game and complaining that it never runs.
Dominic Feeley (10 months ago)
This is obscene.
MrCorvusC (10 months ago)
Even before merger with Activision, Blizzard had some questionable business tactics. Which is a shame, because they make some fucking good games.
Matt Maloney (10 months ago)
destiny 2 is aimless
oldschool1987 (10 months ago)
290 downvotes. How many people work at Bungie?
Hythunza (10 months ago)
Honestly this is some very dumb shit that people are freaking out over. So what? They're blocking you from getting COSMETICS easily? Games aren't cheap freeloaders.
Ruffle Berg (10 months ago)
The main problem is not scaling EXP, but the fact that the devs decided to hide the scaling from the player. (Not sure if Jebaited btw).
denius1704 (10 months ago)
Jim thank God for you, but mate... "Activision Blizzard has five operating units: Activision develops, distributes, and publishes deeply immersive interactive entertainment for gaming consoles, mobile and tablet platforms, and PCs, including blockbuster franchises like Call of Duty®, Skylanders® and Destiny®. Blizzard Entertainment develops, distributes and publishes some of the most iconic entertainment experiences in gaming, such as World of Warcraft®, StarCraft®, Diablo®, Hearthstone®, and Heroes of the Storm™, for PCs, mobile and tablet platforms, and consoles..." Although the parent company bears Blizzard's name, every time you say "Activision-Blizzard", it is sort of misleading, since Activision-Blizzard as a unit is not responsible for the making, distribution and publishing of Destiny (in this case Blizzard is only responsible for the multiplayer platform but that's all). That is only Activision's responsibility. In the case of this company i think it's fair to say that Blizzard as a unit haven't been as greedy, manipulative and all in all douche-baggy as Activision (OW loot boxes can be argued about i guess) and most if not all of the EA comparisons come when talking about Activision alone. You know, "The Unholly Trinity" IS EA/Activsion/Ubisoft and not EA/Activsion-Blizzard/Ubisoft :)
BI Digital (10 months ago)
Bungie should have stuck with Halo...
Corey Randall (10 months ago)
I love this guy. The only good thing thing to come out of the the whole net neutrality controversy is that I was able to discover this channel. Thanks Trump you too Pai
richard garcerant (10 months ago)
The good thing about that patttent is that nobody else is going to use it
sam gallow (10 months ago)
OH and FU&K Bungie. Dirty bastards
Kori Harpoon (10 months ago)
Notice they said they deactivated the lower xp....meaning they put it in place.
Kori Harpoon (10 months ago)
I saw a cringe worthy ad for crash bandicoot before this video.
Watatsumi (10 months ago)
I think you forgot to mention how the XP system is disabled, but now the XP cost to obtain a bright engram has doubled(https://dotesports.com/general/news/bungie-destiny-2-xp-requirements-doubled-bright-engram-19026). They announced this over twitter rather than explicitly mentioning this in the update on their official website. So sure they removed the XP drop, but they didn't remove their slimy tactics to enforce players to play longer to get cosmetic rewards, which in turn creates incentive for purchasing with real money instead. Fuck you Activision's Bungie.
z lariviere20 (10 months ago)
"oh we had no idea that a game we designed was doing what we designed it to do"................
Renco Unborn (10 months ago)
this bs saying they fixxed it was debunked right after as its still there in a nother form
John W (10 months ago)
CD PROJEKT RED .. Best company ATM.
WernerShadow (10 months ago)
They also doubled the exp needed to get the engrams things so they changed nothing
Hoopdy (10 months ago)
It's worth noting something important about those Bright Engrams: *They are not strictly cosmetic items.* They have a shit-ton of cosmetics _in_ them, yes, but are not strictly cosmetic. Some items provide higher stat variants of items you wouldn't normally acquire, while others actually change elemental properties; further still, some items even reduce the cooldowns on certain actions, oftentimes significantly. With all that said, it makes what's happening here doubly insulting.
sirico (10 months ago)
I got some lube on black Friday makes AAA games really fun
Chris Whitman (10 months ago)
Jim you missed the sneaky second half of this story. After "turning off" the code for scaling XP, they doubled the amount of XP you need to get your Bright Engram. Instead of 80k, you now need 160k at lvl 20 to get the loot box. So nothing really changed.
Jesse Ochieng (10 months ago)
Can I just say.. Reddit user energizer... Is a GOD \m/
Bakared2035 (10 months ago)
Just an FYI, when they shut off the xp throttling, they doubled the xp required to level up from 80k-160k. There's an article on polygon about it. Fans are so pissed they canceled their expansion focused livestream
Adina Sayson (10 months ago)
It's a good thing nothing in the bright engrams is worth paying for. Can't wait to see some other company (*coughEAcough*) do the same thing but with loot boxes people actually want.
Adam Szasz (10 months ago)
Every time. EVERY TIME I think I might want to give D2 a go, some new BS like this hits the news cycle and reminds me of the shitshow bungie thought we’d lap up in D1
Awesome Cat (10 months ago)
Seriously are you people stupid? Bright engrams. You are whining over Bright Engrams? Are you really that stupid and pathetic? Who the Hell plays public events for Bright Engrams? The only reason I care even a little about them is because I like Tess as a character and enjoy the chance to interact more with her. I like that she decrypts them. She is an interesting character. Shaders drop in chests and as rewards to an insane degree. I have so many I finally started to use them and I never used to care about shaders. The only reason I have ever bought anything out of Eververse was to support and thank Bungie and not out of interest of what was in the Damn things in either D1 or D2. This is so sad and pathetic. Mods? Also drop like crazy as are purchasable with glimmer and not rains glimmer. This is so pathetically sad as to be a bad joke. You people need to get a life and coming from me, who's closest friend is their cat, is saying something.
Joseph Breen (10 months ago)
An alternative title for this video might have been "Gamers don't know how to function if they aren't pissed off about something, so now they're even getting mad about bullshit cosmetic items."
SkaiCyan (10 months ago)
My friends play Destiny and I keep thinking, maybe I'll bite the bullet and play this too, just to play with them. Then I keep seeing stuff like this pop up. I'll keep my money, thanks.
Zenith (10 months ago)
They wanted you to buy Bright Engrams, instead of earning them with XP. It was always going to effect XP gains, always.
Ricky ThaDon (10 months ago)
can't trust bungie so I quit Destiny 2 and won't be buying anything they are involved in making
Mkilbride2599 (10 months ago)
Did you read about how they also doubled the amount of XP you need to level now? http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-11-27-destiny-2-fans-find-bungie-has-doubled-xp-needed-to-level-up
Patrick Mcglory (10 months ago)
Mkilbride2599 that was conveniently left out of the developer update. Waiting for this to get covered here.
paul slade (10 months ago)
Cheeky twats. No dlc for me, im done with d2.
Monkeywrench (10 months ago)
And you know what they did after "fixing" the xp system. They made it so that it takes twice as much xp to get an engram. Fuck Activision and this trash game. http://www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-11-27-destiny-2-fans-find-bungie-has-doubled-xp-needed-to-level-up
Mike L (10 months ago)
I love how the embodiment of my frustration and fury is present in you Jim. You represent so many peoples thoughts
vlad quetes (10 months ago)
imagine how botched Anthem will be when it'll come out... back when it was showed at the E3 it was the BOMB but now I'm 100% certain it'll be plagued with the most vile and nasty corporate behaviours
Orcen222 (10 months ago)
I KNEW Bungie would fuck up Destiny 2. I had hundreds of hundreds of hours of gameplay of Destiny so I knew what to expect from Destiny 2 so I boycotted it...lesson learned fuckers! Fuck Destiny Fuck Destiny 2 Fuck Bungie Fuck Activision
BC P (10 months ago)
Gotta be real with everyone... The EXP and leveling in Destiny 2 once you hit lvl 20 is pointless as fuck. All the shit from the bright England is trash anyway that won't raise your light... I mean power level... So who gives a shit. The game sucks balls worse than Destiny 1 vanilla anyway.
dayzgone (10 months ago)
The dev studio is Bungie in-name only , all the good talented people who worked on Halo are now over at 343 studios, so Bungie is now a hollow shell made up of people hired by Activision solely to do their bidding.
What a minute people still play this shit game ? (Hence the intro)
Brolivia Wilde (10 months ago)
don't wank on me, chungus
Fox Die (10 months ago)
So..decades later Developers have come up with a way to turn your personal home entertainment systems back into an Arcade machine..almost defeating the entire purpose of home gaming.
Sean Fitzgerald (10 months ago)
14 year old boys will keep paying and playing, the end.
gigglesseven (10 months ago)
Samsung ad. eww
Chace Elliott (10 months ago)
You're making the Bright Engrams sound like they're something other than shaders... It's not that big of a deal. I haven't purchased a single thing in this game, and I have all the shaders I could possibly want, and I don't even play the game that much.
Wayne Serrano (10 months ago)
its activision-bungie, not blizzard. blizz just provide the api
MrAdam802 (10 months ago)
yeah D2 sucks, glad im on halo 5. fuck bungie/activision
Jake Goodwin (10 months ago)
What was the last game you guys played that didn't have shitty sceevy underhanded gaming practices crammed into it?
Will Reaver229 (10 months ago)
Jake Goodwin Horizon Zero Dawn, Titan Fall 2, Warframe, Destiny 1, Elite Dangerous, Shadow of Mordor...
SnakePlizkin (10 months ago)
And then they "disabled" the system...only to "double" the EXP needed... I heard alot from friends that played D1 that Bungies lies alot to its playerbase or does not communicate at all but this, i would have never expected....
F2H (10 months ago)
This is almost identical to what WOW and other MMOs do with Rested XP bonus, but reversed, and we learned from then that players much prefer it the other way around. They dont care if it's the same thing or even worse, as long as they feel like they're being rewarded, and not punished. Reward them for taking a break, instead of punishing them for continuing to play. There's really not a damn thing morally wrong with this. It's been done a thousand times before, in predatory manners, and it's effective way at providing a natural stopping point to players. There's actual predatory business practices in Destiny 2 and this XP scaling is not it. The only real issues, and they're very very slight, is that (A) it doesn't tell the player, and (B) it didn't learn from WOW. Reward, dont punish.
Val REcO (10 months ago)
Cosmetic only, I'm fine with that.... until MT's are made illegal in $60 games.
Earl Harewood (10 months ago)
Still waiting for a video about Riot Games, they've done pretty much the same thing as Activision Blizzard has done with destiny 2, with League of Legends. removed level cap, increased the amount you need to play in order to get ingame rewards (old IP now Blue essence, please do more research) and then gives you rewards for each level up which then forces you to use the lootbox system to receive your rewards.
Kyle Thompson (10 months ago)
Thank god for Jim Sterling
MrDEMarq (10 months ago)
Jim has just shown us a world without light, and the Bungie guys announced it at the start of the game.
David Svetak (10 months ago)
This news is 2 weeks old and they already removed it, youre the one being scummy now beating a dead horse for views
Kura Oshino (10 months ago)
I'm not sure if you know yet or not but https://youtu.be/a6AQDtAJalY If it doesn't load just type in YongYea, it'll stick out like an eyesore but seeing it's been 42-43 minutes you should have seen the news already if you're on top probably.
Darkness1984 (10 months ago)
Is it a wonder that they tried to Hide it, given the crybabies that modern Gamers have become?
Whiskeey666 (10 months ago)
and according to planet destiny and yong yea, the amount of exp needed for a bright engram has dubbled (from 80,000 to 160,000)...
Michael Anderson (10 months ago)
Anyone dumb enough to want bright engrams, let alone pay real life money for them, get's what they deserve. This doesn't excuse Activision for being scum, but it's their company, their product, if you don't like it, vote with your dollar. I like the games industry because of its overall healthy competition. There's enough companies at essentially open financial war with one another we are at a glut of options. We really need to keep information flow on the internet protected. In what form that takes with Net Neutrality, I dunno. I personally would like to learn how to create my own ISP, I don't understand the whole service being provided, but admittedly I should just research more.
0 (10 months ago)
you'll only need a few billion dollars worth of infrastructure
htomerif (10 months ago)
Poor Dingle. Literally, literally an animate piece of shit yet still the good name of "Dingle" is being dragged through the Santorum by using his image in description of Activision and whatever that company was what made StarCraft.
DATskorge (10 months ago)
It boils down to anybody who bought this game being a fool. I don't care if that offends you; you're dumb and fell for the same bullshit. Actually, no, Destiny 2 is more egregiously bullshit than the first game which continued to stray down the path of manipulation as the game progressed. Rise of Iron and Age of Triumph was a taste of things to come and you are incredibly foolish if you expected it to get better. Of course it got worse. You idiots who bought this rubbish are the frogs that are being slowly boiled. Good on you.
coates27 (10 months ago)
Bungie made a bad move getting into bed with activison
Blake (10 months ago)
Dear Jim F. Sterling, Do you think it's possible a dev or designer just fucked up and the PR people tried to do some damage control when people got pissed? It wouldn't be ridiculous to assume that the company plotted some sheisty shit to screw people out of money, but I don't feel that your analysis here really considered that it could have been an honest misjudgement rather than a calculated transgression built to milk players for every second until the jig was up. As many developers will tell you, sometimes things just slip through the cracks, even in large companies. This kinda seems like one of those times to me, or at least that alternative hasn't been adequately debunked here in my opinion. Thanks, and keep up the good work.
Ken Chang (10 months ago)
I am so glad I found out about this just before I going to buy this game because of black Friday price drop. this is bs.
Pyrvo (10 months ago)
Still fucking hate destiny 2
carpetfluff35 (10 months ago)
Just as I predicted, they've fixed the perceived issue - the numbers not matching up - but also quietly increased the amount of XP you need to earn - effectively still leaving levelling slowed while appearing to have done the right thing.
avetis stepanian (10 months ago)
I'm gonna ban Ubisoft games from my ps4 from now on
avetis stepanian (10 months ago)
This explains why I leveled so damn slowly. I spent almost 5 hours a day playing..fuck that company.
LizardVideoDude (10 months ago)
Oh, it's not over yet... Bungie *also* changed it so the XP to earn another level is now *double* what it was before. The same patch that "fixed" the XP scaling raised the XP per level from 80,000 to 160,000. https://mobile.twitter.com/bungiehelp/status/934945967194779648 Of course, they didn't mention _that_ in the patch notes. Lying scum.
Julian Lak (10 months ago)
They tried to stop the hardcore grinders from optimising XP gain but never thought those same grinders would expose them hahaha
Julian Lak (10 months ago)
Hahaha standing in front of ever verse and vomiting!
Andrew (10 months ago)
EA got a lot of deserved hate. It's now overdue for Activision to get hate
Jorge Meza (10 months ago)
Is like they dont want to be surpassed by EA inthe scum scale
SOSAXP7 (10 months ago)
I Love this channel XD
Joao Ashino (10 months ago)
What about the people who bought pop tarts and other XP bosst? They basically was scamed if we think about it
Joshua Swihart (10 months ago)
cover the fact they doubled the xp needed to level up
Keter (10 months ago)
You know the really sad thing about all of this? This isn't an example of the games industry being more corrupt than alllllll the other industries. It's a matter of gamers being more aware of, more interested in, and better capable of accessing data related to corruption and shitty business tactics than most other industries are. This is merely a matter of games media being more effective at revealing the corruption and fuckery going on with the industry. All the other corporations, all the other industries, they're all just as shitty and bad, they all will take advantage of the consumer at any given opportunity, *just* like these shitty companies such as activision. . . We just don't see it happening.
Ferdy1337 (10 months ago)
This is disgusting beyond belief. I hope someone sues the shit out of one of these companies at one point, just to make an example of one of them. So many games are held hostage by shit business.
chucklesoakley (10 months ago)
people still play this game?
Trik Stari (10 months ago)
To quote Gabe Newell, (despite how bad Steam and Valve are now) "You have to stop thinking that you're in charge and start thinking that you're having a dance. We used to think we're smart [...] but nobody is smarter than the internet. [...] One of the things we learned pretty early on is 'Don't ever, ever try to lie to the internet - because they will catch you. They will de-construct your spin. They will remember everything you ever say for eternity.'"
Travis Bewley (10 months ago)
To all the comments about Bungie selling their souls to Activision, I have to laugh at the utter hyperbole Destiny fans shovel to keep their salt mine active. Yeah, the purely cosmetic things you got from leveling up, you got slower and werent told avout it. There are actual issues of invasive DRM and micro transactions, this is hardly a blip on the radar. I am a bit staggered by the response. Destiny just seems to be the evergreen of arm chair game developers who want to bitch and moan and complain, even if (especially if) they are constantly playing it.

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