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Pricing Games By The Hour Is Some Absurd Shit (The Jimquisition)

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http://www.patreon.com/jimquisition http://www.thejimquisition.com http://sharkrobot.com/collections/Jimquisition-merch Green Man Gaming believes it can formulate an hourly price for its games, but this "Average Cost Per Hour" nonsense is... well, nonsense! __ Twitter: https://twitter.com/jimsterling Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jimsterling0 Jim’s Big Ego (No Relation): http://bigego.com/ Bandcamp of the Sax Dragon - https://carlcatron.bandcamp.com Nathan Hanover - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-8L7n7l11PJM6FFcI6Ju8A
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Pegasi (2 days ago)
Avg. Cost per Hour: Skyrim Good fucking luck lmao
Renzo (7 days ago)
I don't mind short games, but I also don't want to buy a 2 hr game for 60 usd. The reason for this is 60 usd is a fuck ton of money where I live. So that means I can buy a full priced game maybe twice a year. Yeah, I would like to get more hours - good thing I'm into RPGs and like games. Dark Souls 3 has been worth every peso lol
Irkz (8 days ago)
Us poor people can only buy a game every month or so. So we need a game that will last a month. Which doesn't mean a game is more or less valuable, its just the facts.
Gary Madafaka-Oak (19 days ago)
Actually, review scores are barely any different. Without context they mean almost nothing. There's no universal standards for grading games, movies, foods or anything you need opinion for. There's also no obligations to give plus or minus points for certain things, like graphical fidelity or duration. Sure, game with average score of 90/100 probably is better investment than one with 25/100, but if that 25 is from a person with completely opposite taste to yours, the number without context is actually more harmful than useful. And if you spend enough time to find out reasons behind the score, then you already know what the reviewer thinks of the game and why. At that point the number really doesn't add much to the review.
Miles Noctis (20 days ago)
Desert Bus is the greatest game of all time by the cost per hour metric.
InAUGral (28 days ago)
Jim my boy if anyone asks how long a game is just point them to http://howlongtobeat.com/. Or better yet post the link on social media so they can stop bugging you.
DoctorObviously (29 days ago)
Games are in my opinion mostly being played with people who don't have a lot of mobey (children) and so Ubisoft cashes in on that fact. The quality of the content doesn't matter, just that you're hypnotised by your TV for 40 hours.
Anthony G (1 month ago)
I was told that length does matter........
Anthony G (1 month ago)
You should change your wrestling name to Jimbroni.
Leonidas (1 month ago)
got kind of existential toward the end there
Peter Clarke (1 month ago)
But jiiiiiiiiim! We love multiplayer! Even though that means the "triple aaaaaeeh!" arseholes keep bending us other and making our bungholes bleed. We love multiplayer. Get over it. Now im going to cry to my mommy.
ArmouredLemming (1 month ago)
It's not always about the length you fucking neanderthals! You want *girth* too. PENIS.
Cody Puch (1 month ago)
How do i see sterdust wrestle?
everennui (1 month ago)
10:31 Fully agree. Then you don't even have to worry about taking the weight of the top into consideration.
FocusedFelix (1 month ago)
I know it was just used to make a point, but flashing the 'login rewards' screen of MHW is a bit ironic given the context.
Gerry tommy Mc'canuck (1 month ago)
Gun full of nipples..
mike schoemaker (1 month ago)
2 hours of content for a full priced game is in my opinion, outrageous and unacceptable
Jack's Film Orchard (2 months ago)
Wow that was a nicely applied slam!
Ryan (2 months ago)
Your points are valid however if someone only has £50 to spend in 1 month on a game even if this game is the best game in the world if it only provides 5 hours of entertainment then it's not worth it to them. Whereas they could buy another game for £50 and get hundreds of hours. Makes sense.
Ryotaiku (2 months ago)
Length doesn't matter, but pacing does. Persona 5 took me 96 hours to finish, but it's so well-paced and engaging that I burned through the entire game within the same month it came out.
Spyrocrab (2 months ago)
The phrase ‘Athiest community’ may be the funniest thing in this video
akaimizu1 (2 months ago)
Ok. I now know that I’ve put too much time into Enter the Gungeon when Jim says, “less useful than a gun holster full of nipples” and you actually start to contemplate how useful that could be in terms of the game.
MagusSartori (2 months ago)
The Order was actually kinda fun if you don't have any expectations for it.
AtrociousAK47 (2 months ago)
Just keep picturing AJ saying "FOUR HOURS?!" in slow mo every time he mentions length
Clickbait37 (2 months ago)
Time is not everything! undertale is hella short but has ×3 replayability and is an amazing game.
Pugie (2 months ago)
Anyone else hear Pink Floyd? 7:44
sebbysebbseb (2 months ago)
How long is it?
switchtalent123 (2 months ago)
How many hours you get out of it depends on how much you like it, and that is obviously subjective. Personally I’d rather have a high quality short game over a long shitty one that feels like a chore
Anthony Aziz (2 months ago)
Jesus Christ I mean I know it's acting, but the fact that Jim can actually hold that guy and then slam him down even with cooperation is impressive.
t84t748748t6 (2 months ago)
minecraft 20 euro spend so many hours it wouldnt suprise me if its 0.1 cent a hour fallout 4 is 1 cent a hour for me but no mans sky is 15 euro a hour for me
S Dew (2 months ago)
iam gonna do that with the girlfriend, figure out her cost per hour, and the pleasure per hour i get out of her.. that would be a awful ratio ..no??
Nicks HellHole (2 months ago)
mudflap dust.
Vincent Peacock (2 months ago)
Lol I do that. R600 game (60$) I spend 100 hours playing. R6 per hour of entertainment value. Now to me that’s cheaper than drinking but that’s only according to how much I played it but still that’s fucked if the dev is deciding this
GECKman88 (3 months ago)
I agree, price per H can fuck off. BUT I will say that two games costing $60 and both are high quality but one is like 2 hours of content and another is at least 10 hours, then.... I'm sorry I will go for the longer game for more bang for my buck. On that note FUCK paying full price to some shit cunt for a two hour game no matter how "good" it is.
op_player (3 months ago)
That was some perfect music choice around 8 minutes in. Time-Pink Floyd.
RevTn (3 months ago)
Thank you sir.
gridsleep (3 months ago)
I've spent 3,080 hours in Rapture.
gridsleep (3 months ago)
Amortization schedules for... games? Isn't Double Jeopardy already part of a game?
Recnid (3 months ago)
Holy shit you're... wider... than I expected.
DracosKasurani (3 months ago)
Cost per hour is suggestive since these day many of those high time sink game are mostly multiplayer deathmatch mode or open world with a lot of dead time in it (aka walking simulator). A game should alway be value by his fun factor over time.
King_Oskar (3 months ago)
Now that I think of it, The Settlers Online has both a premium currency with happy hour double value once per month, to simulate "investment", and a DAILY LOGIN BONUS to make a compulsion to play again and again, ooooh noo!
Michael Wood (3 months ago)
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Overwatch (3 months ago)
It sounds to me like what you are REALLY arguing about is padding out a game with bullshit. But that does NOT mean that the length of a game is not an essential part of the value proposition (If time spent and money spent happen to have value to you). Sometimes people are asking you a different question, just like you argued against something that is peripheral to your actual statement. The simple fact (and yes, it is a fact.) is that many people cannot afford to purchase a new game any time they want to. This isn't as simple as someone trying to relate Money to Hours of Entertainment. It can often be Hours Worked to Hours of Entertainment. And not everyone can just change how many hours they work. The way that GMG did it is not helpful. But that doesn't mean that some personal metric is always a bad thing. When people have to budget money for games, how long they can play it and have FUN is a real metric. This doesn't mean that every game needs to be a deeply modable Elder Scrolls/Fallout game that you can dump 2000 hours into for the low low cost of $50 for a Game of the Year edition. But if a good game is only 3 hours long, and costs more than a movie ticket, then it had better be mindbogglingly good to justify all that time that you DON'T have entertainment until you can afford another game. So yes. I DO think that cramming extra garbage into a game just to pad it out is a vile crime against gamers. But saying that the length of a game that you have fun with is NOT an important factor, is discounting a portion of gamers that might genuinely need to consider it.
Peewee Herman (3 months ago)
Can someone please tell me the cost of a pound based on a dollar Asking for a friend
lordgamermon (3 months ago)
8:18 LIVVVE SERVICESSS 😂😂😂
GeniusLad32 (3 months ago)
As a gamer on a budget, I totally understand the price per hour argument. If I can buy rainbow six siege for £40 that I'll get 300+ hours out of or 5 indie games for the same price that I'll get 10 hours at most, I'm definitely going to pick R6. People don't seem to realise we can't afford every game out there. I normally agree with Jim but I think he's wrong here. Edit: To address his later point about liking shorter games that end, I don't like that as much. I appreciate the large open world games or infinite multiplayer ones because I play one or two games to death each month. I have two jobs to save before uni and the rest of my time is spent gaming. I can't afford to switch to a new game every day or two. It's not possible. I get that it's just his stance but millions of gamers are not earning anywhere near what Jim is. We have to budget our hobby.
Yureina Sf (3 months ago)
I've used cost/hour in the past to determine whether or not I wanted to buy a game. Specifically, it was during the days when I was very short on funds and did not have steady income. In other words, the money I had to spend on entertainment was precious and I wanted to get the most bang for my buck. If I was to buy a really short game in those days, it meant that I would probably have to go replay Baldur's Gate II or Deus Ex for the billionth time. As great as those games are, sometimes you need something new, you know? That idea led me towards playing Paradox Grand Strategy games like Europa Universalis III and Crusader Kings II or in large replayable RPG's like Fallout 3/New Vegas and Skyrim. While cost/hour was a big factor for me... so too was a quality game. I wasn't buying a game just because of how long it was, but rather because it was both long and worth playing for that length. This changed when I finally did get steady income and could spend vastly more on entertainment than before. Cost/hour became far less important than overall quality. But even so, I do make notes of how long games are in my Steam reviews for people who are in the position I used to be in: one where money is scarce and you need to spend it wisely. I still do say things like "wait for a sale" in my reviews if I think a game is overpriced or is far too short for what you get out of it. But mostly I say "wait for a sale" these days about shitty overpriced DLC as a way of saying "If you must get this, then don't pay full price and reward this company for its bad behavior". Just playing Devil's advocate a bit. :3
Violence City (3 months ago)
But dude. Your back?!
Verde the Star Warrior (3 months ago)
Sterdust is the best...but he already knows that
Soviet Reunion (3 months ago)
THANK YOU!
K Manitou (3 months ago)
People this heavy don't live very long. I don't like your creepy friends, but I'd like to have you around for a while.
James Laidler (3 months ago)
Wrestling is fake.
Greg Wolf (3 months ago)
Irrelevant, but the game is actually called Descenders.
Stephen Trail (3 months ago)
Portal 2 isn't a long game, but it's my favorite game of all time. Worth full price imo.
This sounds like the argument of someone who doesn't need to buy their games. Fact is that you need to work to pay for games. Some people can't afford or simply don't want to pay $60 for a 2 hour experience when they could get Skyrim instead. Time is a very important part of gaming.
Hamasake Gagf (3 months ago)
only reason i am not addicted and spent tousands of dolars on game is because my parents were smart and never let me ewen close to their credit cards fun litle info browsers games are full of same of pay to win formula of mobile games i would argue its where it started from before mobile games came into popularity
SrMeechio (3 months ago)
Dat Sterdust booty jiggle
Javasboi (3 months ago)
FUCK GREENMANGAMING! They screwerd me over so much with Far Cry 3....they didnt deliver the download files and refused to either refund me or make sure I got the game files....so I had to pirate the game and activate my cd key through the illegaly downloaded client to activate my purchase. I even got a warning for constantly "bothering" the tech support with my errand. Fucking scummy piece of shit site if you ask me, use GoG instead, GMG blows!!!
Thomas Lucock (3 months ago)
I always value quality time over length of time. Take MGS Ground Zeroes vs Phantom Pain. Ground zeroes is short and to the point, tells the story it needs to tell, and is endlessly replayable though the different play styles, whereas the Phantom Pain is what feels like a 12 hour game stretched out to 120 hours.
Agusloquillo (3 months ago)
That Dungeon Keeper Mobile example you provided was fucking brillant, Jim. A contradiction which completely flies in the face of the "average cost per hour". You great, great man.
Derek A (3 months ago)
I've been of the opinion for a long time that games are far too long these days. The problem isn't actually the length of the game; it's the trade-off that comes with it. All things being equal, the shorter the game, the more depth it has. Alternatively, the longer the game, the shallower the experience. It's possible to make a long game that has depth (think Witcher 3), but it takes more resources than most publishers are willing to devote to it. I'd rather have deep games that last 10 - 20 hours than boring grindfests with mediocre sidequests that are 100+ hours long.
Yankesik (3 months ago)
The only use of this statistic is if you are seriously low on money, and want to buy a game that will take care of your free time for as long as possible, for as little as possible.
You know the deal son (3 months ago)
I admit I want long games
Ypulse (4 months ago)
brainwashed players value games by game hours, so devs will sure start selling games per/hour
Ypulse (3 months ago)
monthly fee is already cancer to begin with. and hourly pay is problematic even more as jim already explained why in detail
stylesrj (3 months ago)
Well it wouldn't be any different from a paid subscription model... except instead of paying a monthly fee it'd be an hourly fee. The horrors...
くんマフムード (4 months ago)
so what about a game like bloodborne, how can we price that one? a game that you can literally speed run in a few hours or spend 100 of hours in depending on how you play it, rather than this bullshit, isn't it better if we price games by their uuum ....... quality? maybe?
Victor Cross (4 months ago)
Someone just pointed me at this video. The COST of something is not equivalent to the VALUE of something. Avg Cost per Hour is in fact a valid metric. Especially in conjunction with other metrics.
OpinionsGetYouBanned (4 months ago)
you all have views because you're fat.
Olika120 (4 months ago)
Time for me to make an open world game with a flat map that takes about 10 hours to get from one end of the to the other one
MMOJunkie (4 months ago)
i dunno, I played fallout new vegas for over a thousand hours and I paid £5 for the game and all the dlc, thats about £1 for every 200 hours of playing, that's value for money compared to AAA games that end after 4 hrs and cost £50+, admittidly I am a fan of post apoc rpg's and I will gladly destroy my social life to just gank one more raider, but I agree with you, it is a bit silly to put a value on a game by the averages.
pekonimestari (4 months ago)
god damn Jim. you bomb game devs more than US bombs when they find oil in other countrys. i like that
pekonimestari (4 months ago)
sry for bad english
Shiranui (4 months ago)
Priception.
Brendon Andrews (4 months ago)
I've been doing the cost per hour for games since.. well... I can remember. It's how I judge what I feel like spending on certain games.
Rob Butler (4 months ago)
Make that 33... That joke would have worked better if I bothered to watch this on time. Fuck it
Strazdas (4 months ago)
Youtube is doing cirrect with subscriptions. I want your (and everyone else) channel to show up on subscribtions list and on subscription feed but i NEVER want to have a notification about a new upload. Im not going to drop what im doing to watch a video, i watch them when i have time to watch them and i can open your channel for that.
Nod Music (4 months ago)
I'd say beyond my personal opinion, it's not all that useful because i might have tried a game - sunk 1-4 hours in, have a good impression it will be a great game but have too much life stuff going on and never get back on it (The last of us) and thus bring the avg. down. This is usually all down to whats going on in my life when i try to play something (or buying too many games at once). Some games i pick up at the right time and can sink tonnes of hours into (tomb raider game) but still think it was pretty shit and not worth the time or money. Maybe something like avg time to complete main content would be better and avg time beyond...
android927 (4 months ago)
How can you possibly argue that a simple metric, one that can be calculated by taking the cost of a game and dividing it by the average total playtime, is "100% subjective"? The formula (Cost of Game) / (Average Playtime) is always going to give you the same result when given the same inputs, so it is by definition not subjective.
HRK (4 months ago)
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Greg Wolf (4 months ago)
I don't know professional wrestling. Is it just acting rather than actual risky fighting?
Dan Bahlert (4 months ago)
This concept might be good to combat micro-transactions since it then becomes needed info to know the average MT spent by each player.
Garrette (4 months ago)
As i'm getting older, I just can't be bothered with hundred hour games. Most long games are full of filler content. Games that sit around the 4-20 hour mark are the most appealing to me because I will actually be able to finish them.
Gregory Johnson (4 months ago)
What's the name of the song in the intro
MrZurb (4 months ago)
Buying a game which can be completed in 3 hours for 60€. This would be great indicator for that kind of games.
stylesrj (3 months ago)
If the game is shorter than the average movie but costs more than a ticket or three... I think it's not worth it. That's about it for my analysis of cost/time.
BluePsion (4 months ago)
Dwarf Fortress has a great cost per hour.
Nicky Wilson (4 months ago)
Wow that was a good slam Jim. Fight Simon Miller next please. Its like batman vs Superman of YouTube podcast world.
Michael Dobson (4 months ago)
I like the fact that Time by Pink Floyd is playing in an episode about play time
Bound4Earth (4 months ago)
I think the episode has a great point of view, but to an extent. Brothers: a Tale of Two Sons is a great example of this. It is a great journey, but at only two hours you end up losing regardless of how much bullshit you place on the thoughts afterwords, it still ends up being price at an insanely high 10 dollars an hour, yet doesn't provide that much more then any mainstream game. Therefor even Battlefield and CoD provide similar experiences. They give you similar hours of game-play and the storytelling is just as gratifying and they have multiplayer which means value for your dollar, depending on your point of view. It is useful when looking at all of the data. Just as claiming original story equaling 2 hours for $20 is worth more then 10 hours for $60 dollars plus multiplayer. In the end, even if the story is clever and original (which brothers was not), you still only get 2 hours for $20 with no replay-ability, whatsoever. Just claiming the amount of content alone should be thrown out for some opinion of the content is just bullshit, because subjective things are subjective to everyone in differing ways and hours that you can play a game, says more then what you get out of it due to the subjective nature of that entire process. I respect you and will continue to do so in the future, but to claim that money spent per hour of game-play is a garbage metric and should be thrown in the trash is just ignorant. Brothers is an example of a great experience, but just like the AAA games, is way overpriced and not a measure of anything meaningful without the other data points. By itself may be less meaningful, but with everything else taken into account we could have eliminated Brothers from the charts, not a bad thing imo. It was a decent story over better then average game-play for an insane price. Art and story alone, do not always equal great games and we should also keep that in mind Jim. TL;DR: I think throwing game-play per hour based on costs into the trash completely is an ignorant point of view. In the grand scheme of things, cost per hour, can play a very important role and even help developers of games, like Brothers, price their games fairly (instead of hiding behind the ignorant overpriced art logic) and help them sell even more copies at the much more reasonable $5 price tag. Overpriced art, is still overpriced at the end of the day.
Yaboi (4 months ago)
When was the last time you had a very limited budget with which to decide what games you're going to play? I for one have to be very picky with what games I buy, because I have to pick games with some decent longevity, that'll last me a few days at the very least. I think you're missing this.
Ben Bristow (4 months ago)
The notifications not on by default is a good thing IMHO. Don't want notification spam on your phone for every channel if you're subscribed to loads, you can still see your subscriptions on the homepage when you want to watch YouTube. If you're really obsessed with a YouTuber then you can hit the bell.
Julia-6 (4 months ago)
You get a like for the slam in the beginning
Elim Rawne (4 months ago)
they will never calculate humanities' decision-making because we're all a bunch of ever changing frakkers and proud of it! Machine learn thís you wankers! Nice episode Jim, cheers.
J Darbz (4 months ago)
Ahahaha that body slam! Fucking joke, ur hillarious my friend watch all ya vids laughing out loud
HoH hoch (4 months ago)
I don't think it's the cost per hour that's the issue here. People just need to decide if that price they're paying per hour for "completion" of the game is worth it. Sure two 60 dollar games that are both five hours long will have the same price per hour, but if one is balls to the walls orgasmic and the other is utter shit, one can argue that one of those games has a price per hour worth paying for.
Ira Jacobs (4 months ago)
It's not a very USEFUL metric, but I don't see the harm in them providing it. If some dumbass is going to buy a game based on the fact that it takes 32million hours, and see that it's a really grindy game, welp, enjoy your garbage. End User reviews are always going to be the most useful info, just make sure to read both positive and negative.
Daniel Maier (4 months ago)
Was Green Man Gaming founded by Spoole?
War_Cheese (4 months ago)
I'd appreciate another appearance of the Cornflakes Homunculous.
SilentShadowLT (4 months ago)
You call the number of hours spent by a person on the game objective. I'm fairly certain you'll also agree that the game's price is objectively a set number. As such, dividing one by the other gives an objective value. The real question is, is the game worth that $/hr price tag. A lot of games these days are both short and shit, but still cost a fortune -- the statistic is quite valuable. Even if the site wouldn't make that calculation for us, I'm fairly certain we would silently do it in our minds anyway. If I hear that the game's 100 hours long, I know that even if it isn't that good, I'll have something to mindlessly do. Though you might consider it a waste of time, I still find my self in need of such games at times. After all, how you choose to spend your time falls under the subjective label.
Victorya Kujisawa (4 months ago)
bs, what is with games that have many content like fallout/skyrim/anno do i have to pay for them around 300chf? because i played over 600hours. another bs idea pay for any hour you played + taxes =P
John Howell (4 months ago)
is that the little girl photo from the apocalyptic gameshow from mitcheal and webb? if so sweet
Grappling Hook Jones (4 months ago)
I have played 130 hours of Stardew Valley. Imagine how expensive that game would be
DPM (4 months ago)
Imagine if they had to put a price on GTA V based on gameplay time, I don't think anyone would be able to afford it because people still play it to this day and most likely have hundreds if not thousands of hours on their belt.

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