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Thanks to our sponsor: Compass News. Use code "ExtraCredits" to get a 7 day FREE trial at https://compassnews.co.uk/sign-up?code=extracredits We can learn a lot from Steam's player numbers about why certain games, like PUBG and Paladins, continue to be popular on Steam, as well as why niche driving simulators are doing better than adventure games. Subscribe to Extra Credits for more episodes every Wednesday! http://bit.ly/SubToEC Get info about all our shows at http://becausegamesmatter.com ___________ Get your Extra Credits gear at the store! http://bit.ly/ExtraStore Thanks for participating in this week's discussion! We want you to be aware of our community posting guidelines so that we can have high-quality conversations: https://goo.gl/HkzwQh Contribute community subtitles to Extra Credits: http://www.youtube.com/timedtext_cs_panel?c=UCCODtTcd5M1JavPCOr_Uydg&tab=2 Talk to us on Twitter (@ExtraCreditz): http://bit.ly/ECTweet Follow us on Facebook: http://bit.ly/ECFBPage Get our list of recommended games on Steam: http://bit.ly/ECCurator ___________ Would you like James to speak at your school or organization? For info, contact us at: contact@extra-credits.net ___________ ♪ Intro Music: "Penguin Cap" by CarboHydroM http://bit.ly/1eIHTDS ♪ Outro Music: "Sunny Day Drive" by: Just Coffee https://ocremix.org/remix/OCR03474
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Extra Credits (9 days ago)
For a few short, glorious days in July there was a way to accurately estimate Steam player numbers. We're gonna dig into that data! Thanks to our sponsor: Compass News. Use code "ExtraCredits" to get a 7 day FREE trial at https://compassnews.co.uk/sign-up?code=extracredits By the way, we are running a surprise game jam! https://itch.io/jam/extra-credits-game-design-jam
Bogged games (5 days ago)
Do a video on lisa the painful rpg
Steven Neiman (5 days ago)
Interestingly, Minecraft has apparently sold more copies than literally anything on Steam
dan rogers (5 days ago)
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/07/steam-data-leak-reveals-precise-player-count-for-thousands-of-games/
Yuwei Zhang (7 days ago)
Extra Credits A lot of F2P MMOs (like Warframe) don't have achievements, so wouldn't those be unaccounted for? Isn't saying F2P isn't dominant a bit hasty without those stats?
PreceptorGrant (7 days ago)
Since the Wargaming titles mostly use their own launcher directly from the publisher, I'd expect that they'll barely register. In actual all-time player count, I'd expect WoT to be showing some pretty titanic numbers.
Karl Zhimon Dailo (6 hours ago)
I also never thought that Paladins was played by a lot of people, especially with that kind of competition.
Steven Shofner (8 hours ago)
As an avid player of survival games, let me say that I agree with the conclusion here. Yes, I will play the ever-loving bejeezus out of my favorite survival game. I've got over 1,000 hours on Space Engineers. But when I hear about a new one? I'm reeeeally eager to try it out and see if it's better than what I've been doing. Even if it's not strictly better, if it does something new and interesting, I'll probably at least put a few dozen hours into it just to experience its challenges, progression, and artistry. Especially if I can get my friends hooked into it! Even if they play 30 hours of it, I'm way more likely to put 300 hours into a game that my friends also enjoy playing,if it's multiplayer.
6lue Mah (12 hours ago)
omg i was not expecting the zing bot joke XD
Austin Shores (12 hours ago)
UNTURNED UNTURNED UNTURNED EVERYONE GO PLAY UNTUNED GUYS
Austin Shores (12 hours ago)
Who even plays UNTURNED anymore though
Boomcake (16 hours ago)
thats obviously because adventure games have a limited play time, there is literally no point replaying and playing loads on them, survival games however are bound to do well because people play them forever, because anything is possible
Ichbins Wiegehts (21 hours ago)
Well you are wrong about Fernbus. It is a meme.
Mary Phillips (1 day ago)
Yes, THANK YOU! This is THE video gaming needed!
Eyüp Yılmaz (1 day ago)
YAY! EC finally talked about AoE II. Well, let's say mentioned, I'm still waiting for that day though.
Mirogod (1 day ago)
Half-Life 3 is no laughing matter. Unless... HL3 confirmed? Coming 2019???
rjc0234 (1 day ago)
so every single person saying "oooh why do companies keep ditching single player games" well, when the biggest western RPG is "only" number 11 on a list of what is entirely multiplayer games numbers 1-10. also congratulations unturned :D P.S. I have never heard of paladins.
Michael Chen (2 days ago)
WOOOT WOOT!!!! TEAM FORTRESS REPRESENT!!!
Mike G (2 days ago)
Peace sells...but who's buying?
SalmonPunk (2 days ago)
i still miss that squeaky story teller
chaoticBABIES (2 days ago)
Steam is basically the google play store for pc games.
Brian Young (2 days ago)
https://youtu.be/z4fWg9EHo5k?t=319 now I just have to sit here and imagine why on Earth I can't get ye flask!
Andrei Istrate (2 days ago)
"less people have" - it's "fewer" people. God, did anyone proofread this script? Other than that, a good episode.
MrSnoozable (2 days ago)
It is important to consider that this is steam specific so the numbers will definetely seem to favor pc exclusives. Things like the tell tale games and neir were on so many different consoles that it's more like the average player would rather have a non- pc experience than the game isn't doing that well. I would really like to know how some of these compare to anything on bnet. I am honestly astonished that paladins is in the top 10 and I'm pretty happy about that. I was sad at how small the player base for battleborne was and thought the genre had no one interested in it, but it seems I was wrong. Lots of cool insights overall, the simulator scene is much larger than I realized.
Tech cunt (2 days ago)
My entire fucking wallet is gone thanks to steam ):
David Andersson (2 days ago)
Extra Credits did you account for different achievement amounts and difficulties in different games?
Tsuna (2 days ago)
I want more people to play NieR:Automata :v it's such a good game. Probably has somewhat lower numbers since the lowest it's been (as far as I know, and when I bought it) is half price ($30 USD, $40 AUD)
David Gustavsson (2 days ago)
I could tell they weren't counting hours, no mention of Factorio.
Coal Creek Defense (3 days ago)
Just talk to us, man. Don't try to sell us blender. You're getting less-than-stellar feedback because we are conditioned to HATE the intonation you're using.
Draedon Longley (3 days ago)
I haven't watched this channel in a while, what happened to the host
NNPlays (3 days ago)
Good god, please use "fewer" and "less" correctly. Use "fewer" if it's countable; "less" if it isn't. If you have fewer bottles of milk, you have less milk. It is so disappointing to hear this mistake in an otherwise interesting and authoritative commentary.
Vector Strike (3 days ago)
Proud of making CK2 show up there :)
Westwood Shadow (3 days ago)
WOW! I never thought i'd want those numbers. That is fantastic.
Stephen Wilson (3 days ago)
3:57 Fernbus salesman:*slaps roof of Fernbus* This bad boy can fit so many people in it
Jack's forehead (3 days ago)
Why have you literally never mentioned fortnite
Hanro50 (3 days ago)
It could be interesting if Valve released some of these statistics officially as it could really help game developers decode where the industry is going
Ciro Montiel (3 days ago)
i love CRPGs I am sad now
Gutzahn (3 days ago)
So what this tells me is that more people need to play Undertale and Nier Automata, right?
mrbunnyban (3 days ago)
Ooooooh, this is a gold mine! Thanks EC
Islam is cancer (4 days ago)
I'm glad Warframe is in top 10, it's a F2P game with AAA value.
Alvin Fahruddin (4 days ago)
Wait, Paladins? On 10th spot? Is this the real life?
SnakeEngine (4 days ago)
You mean, too much money to make Half life 3 :P
Gerald Loo (4 days ago)
The only reason i don't play nier automata is it's cost. 250 RM. That's a lot of money. I'll only buy it when there's a sale. So I don't waste so much money on a game that might not work on my lousy laptop. P.S. If it's not clear to you by now, I'm super broke.
legomanc (4 days ago)
I'm proud of unturned it is my favourite game along with ark and in unturned I have 989 plus hours
Crimson Demonia (4 days ago)
3:56 *Slaps roof Of bus* “This bad boy can fit a lot of players in it”
JohnyK07 (4 days ago)
This video only proved to me that most gamers are fine just playing crap xD Jesus, all the best ones in the last ranks. So sad. I notice how they are all story-driven games...hmm. I guess those might cater to a older audience that likes something with more meaning. Those will always have less players, since we have much less free time. Maybe that's why we do see so many kids playing mindless shooters.
JohnyK07 (4 days ago)
1:52 I be damned if those are not a couple of things right off the bat xD This is part of why I love this channel so much; these puns are glorious.
neiana (5 days ago)
I love me some Euro Truck Simulator 2.
Chloe Taylor (5 days ago)
What happened to the other guy who hosted extra credits? This is the first episode of I've watched in a while.
TheGrapeFairie (5 days ago)
Get ye flask
Dojokid500 (5 days ago)
3:56 haha nice may may extra credits 😂😂😂😂😂😂👌👌👌👌👌🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯💯💯
VMan_ 2002 (5 days ago)
"You knew a half life 3 joke was coming" Nope
Gretgor (5 days ago)
Well, the one thing I gather here is that quality does not seem to positively affect a game's number of players as much as stuff like extremely good publicity.
HalfwitHam (5 days ago)
FUNHAUS saved hardcore simulators
Mike yayoh (5 days ago)
wounder how BDO did on the charts..... thats the only MMORPG i know thats on steam that seems to have a somewhat loyal fanbase
Felipe Bertolini (5 days ago)
Who are you? What did you do to Dan?
mr. skeltal (5 days ago)
4:05 "nitch"
Pixie Panda Plush (5 days ago)
I would love to see a top list for time played these games.
Kinshra Slave (5 days ago)
Dang I'm surprised Terraria wasn't part of that list, I didn't realized so many of its sales were the imitation versions on mobile and console.
WakkaSeta (5 days ago)
Hold up now. I've been gone a year or two. Who's this guy? Where's Dan?
Captain Coco (5 days ago)
TOTAL WAR ONLYYYYY!!!!
JeromeZP (5 days ago)
Unturned is 4th?!?1 Lol, I knew it was played, but not that much!
Catclaw Gaming (5 days ago)
I only just noticed the outright is Undertale.
Jenssile (5 days ago)
always good to see the tf2 community going strong for a 10-year-old game
dan rogers (5 days ago)
the full if anyone is interested: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/07/steam-data-leak-reveals-precise-player-count-for-thousands-of-games/
XoRderous (5 days ago)
Sorry guys, the Divinity part was confusing. :/ Visuals show Divinity: OS and OS2 but all I hear is talk about Divinity I (I assume Divine Divinity) and Divinity II. I'd imagine you meant OS and OS2 but they are not the same as DD and D2.
Amethyst Orchard (6 days ago)
I actually get it that survival players like more than one title... that is why there are still people who go make minecraft clones.
raventhorX (6 days ago)
Honestly, if i ever develop a game I just want it to be popular enough so that me and all my employees can live comfortably after taxes and bills and such with enough time between games to come out with another one just as good if not more so. At least that's my goal when it comes to the idea of making profits from it. Outside of that I just love the concept of making a game, but seems so difficult even with game engines and such that I'm having a hard time actually sticking to learning to create the darn thing in the first place T_T
chicken (6 days ago)
Can anyone name me a few games like " besiege " or "airship : conquer the skies " ? . I like building huge machine that destroy .
synnym (6 days ago)
Is Unturned one of the asset flips?
British Mapping (6 days ago)
First most played game is HOI4, 650 hours. Over 3 times as much as my second most played game EU4, at 200 hours. Followed by Civ V, at 150 hours. I then have 1 group at about 95 hours, and another larger group at around 70-50. After that it drops to a very large group of around 40 games within the 30-15 hour range. The other 100 or so games left unaccounted for are less than 15 hours.
Jasper Buan (6 days ago)
No mention of GTA V?
aTurtleDarkly (6 days ago)
Pertaining to Crusader Kings (as well as it's brothers Victoria, Europa Universalis, and HOI), those player stats might actually be lower, because achievements are only earnable in Ironman mode, but according to Paradox statistics, not the entire playerbase plays Ironman.
Bianca l (6 days ago)
I think more people play the simulators than games considered popular like Undertale because you can just look up “Simulator” on Steam, and then you’d find a lot. It’s a broader category, therefore allowing more search results, and more people know about them than a specific game’s name.
maxis2k (6 days ago)
Just finished by millionth game of Civ V and then watched this video.
1337w0n (6 days ago)
Still not enough to make Half Life 3 Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha! 😂🤣😂😭 Life is pain.
Arteriop ! (6 days ago)
I love strange data and I think I’ve stumbled across something. Maybe it’s worthy of your guys’ time. Probably not. Slime Rancher: when a Skinner box is fun. It’s not healthy necessarily but it is a fun non-annoying Skinner box game.
GamerFromJump (6 days ago)
I guess he likes to go one step beyond as well.
Living Beings (6 days ago)
Why is there no vid on homestuck?
kacproc (6 days ago)
Half Life 3 joke was really out of place, a joke in a EC video is out of place on its own.
tygonmaster (6 days ago)
I cannot speak for others, but when I sit down to enjoy a "sim" game, namely the calm ones like Eurotruck Simulator, I do so as a means to relax. There is just something so calming about the concept of being out on the open road, free from the little annoyances of life, but without having to go out and experience the annoyances of driving. It is a calming feeling that you rarely get with most AAA or even indie games out there. They all want to give you action, power-fulfillment, and/or a sense of adventure or danger. Sometimes, you just want some calming music and a big open road. It....kind of makes you feel like for just a moment, this is your moment. That you can actually just...drive a truck. No one to nag you. No one to shit all over you for political views or the way you look or whatever [insert random thing here]. You just have a thing to do. It is mindless and calming. That is what appeals to me about most sim games. It is the boringness of life, but presented in a way that is easy to deal with.
tygonmaster (6 days ago)
Recent Extra Credits I have found...hard to listen to. I just cannot get over the change in narration. I find the delivery...erm..."lecturey" for lack of a better word. Comes off like "self-absorbed" in a way that is hard to pin down, but I figured out something that works: putting the video on 1.25x speed. It feels a lot less like I am a wall being talked to by an old man in a geriatric ward. Feels nice.
Thomas Kip (6 days ago)
I would appreciate a list about hours played instead of amount of players, I think that a lot of grand strategy titles would score a lot higher that way.
Fernando Torre (6 days ago)
This explains so much about the "simulator" genre
failgullonsteam (6 days ago)
3:08 activate the nuclear ghandi
Link0102_ (6 days ago)
We NEED a baby game plushie.
Wurstw4sser (6 days ago)
You wanna pronounce it "fair-nbus"
Heart of Iron RGF (6 days ago)
IMO Civ VI is already leagues ahead of Civ V as far as gameplay is concerned. Most people just can't stomach it's current price, and I understand that. Once they release the Complete Edition of Civ VI for $60.00 flat, you'll see a massive increase in player count.
Cesar4000 PT (6 days ago)
The game I love the most on steam is dayz ❤️❤️❤️ since the arma 2 mod to standalone I’ve watching it and playing
Lets Talk Bannon (6 days ago)
This is a cool video, thanks :D
Zappilord h (6 days ago)
4:00 thats mostly the reason because a lot of german youtubers with over a million subscribers played the game some time ago and there was some kind of hype about it
Kostas Kokka (6 days ago)
You didn't say anything about Horror games. Are the numbers that bad?
jeremy debraccio (6 days ago)
Whoever cut in the one word drops messed up bad
1SPQR2 (6 days ago)
4:07 it's "nish" not "nitch"
Joe Dorman (6 days ago)
Civ5 was free for a while on Green Man Gaming - this probably skewed the results. I know I never would have played it otherwise.
Wepel (6 days ago)
I just want to say, since I didn't see any other comments about it, that I really appreciated the "Get ye flask" reference
Math (6 days ago)
EC and their memes
Kay Cordewener (6 days ago)
I'm very glad that the 'exuberance' of the speaker has been tuned down a little, makes it much more relaxing to watch and gives me some more time to actually reflect on what's being said. Well done guys, interesting stuff with this raw data.
Krishna D (6 days ago)
Civilization is one of my favorite games as well!
Volks Patriot (6 days ago)
Could you do a video on the Battle of Cable Street?
5:15 Ck2 you glorious eugenics incest simulator good to see it mentioned
Denizen Blue (7 days ago)
Y'all are meme trash and I love ya <3
Tribersman (7 days ago)
Meh, I don't trust 80% of yours interpretation. There's just too many criteria and with F2P it's easy to conflate playtime artificially boosted by a grind as it being popular or wanted.And we are not getting into players choosing whatever was best marketed, trying out game and regretting it, or game that are objectively bad but broke the popularity markers which as a result silence honest reviews and how much people actually liked the game. Saying in the video "result may vary" don't even begin to describe it.For a start, even outside of genre you'd have to separate game list based on their business model (F2P, core with many DLC, known solo-epic with no DLC, multiplayer with lootbox, openworld sandbox...)then "somehow" determine how long those game were supposed to be played to determine if it's a complete flop, a grindfest that get abandoned midway, or SHORT game with incredible success for what they were. This is like counting ONLY the number of people living in a country and thinking it's the true indicator of how wealthy said country is... (yes, this is stupid, that's the point)
issa benariba (7 days ago)
What about #12?
Elrich Jr (7 days ago)
5:10 My honorable liege, may you be sewn up alive in the belly of a dead camel. This is truly great news
Robot Rabbit (7 days ago)
PRAISE THE MIGHTY AND GLORIOUS GOD GABEN!!!

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